Hypo or Copper?

melypr1985 · Dec 24, 2016

bif24701 said:
The Naso did not make it through the night.

This has been the most heart breaking and frustrating months I have ever had keeping fish. I have been keeping fish for a long time and this is just bad. I lost thee tangs I planned to add to the display all together. Now only the blue is left. When I did hypo i did that this many issues. All the fish did well. Even if I did have antibiotics, it progressed from heavy breathing to dier in 24hours. He may not have had flukes, just a gill infection. My first FWD I did see yellow mucus type stuff for sure come from his mouth gill area directly. In the future I suppose I'll only add and QT one at a time.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Infections like these are the hardest to treat and cure. Ones like this just move too darn fast.

bif24701 · Dec 24, 2016

Well since we have so many fish and such we found a web site that sells medications in bulk. They are not name brand but contains the same active ingredients. I also have a second 40 gallon I can use to QT another fish separately

bif24701 · Dec 24, 2016

melypr1985 said:
I'm so sorry for your loss. Infections like these are the hardest to treat and cure. Ones like this just move too darn fast.

Thank you, also for the help.

bif24701 · Dec 24, 2016

Is a water change necessary after dosing Prazipro?

My Blue Tang and aiptasia eating file fish seem to not be eating as well. Prazipro dose suppress appetite right?

melypr1985 · Dec 24, 2016

bif24701 said:
Is a water change necessary after dosing Prazipro?

Yes a minimum of 24 hours after dosing and a max of 7 days which would be right before the second dose. You'll want to be sure you to siphon off the bottom of the tank and catch any dead flukes during the water change so they don't start spoiling the water quality.

Humblefish · Dec 25, 2016

@bif24701 Sorry for your loss, but that infection looked bad. Infections caused by gram negative bacteria can kill faster than Marine Velvet Disease.

bif24701 · Dec 30, 2016

I did a water change and added carbon today. Today has been 30 days of consistent copper levels tested to .5 ppm. The remaining fish seem good. The CBB hasn't gotten worse I will monitor and hope the lesions dissipate after copper is fully removed.

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

After closely observing my Blue Tang looks like she had many small spots on her, not ich I don't think as these are darker.

Humblefish · Dec 31, 2016

Black ich perhaps? https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/black-ich-turbellarians.259912/

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

Possiably. I did over shoot the 7 day window for my second Parazipro, but I just added it the other day.

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

Yesterday I added Parazipro

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

So Black ich and Flukes are the same? So that explains the other fish dieing and the Naso Tang. Should I do a second dose today? Or wait 7 days?

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

I added as directed, 5ml/20 gallons. Is that correct?

Humblefish · Dec 31, 2016

bif24701 said:
So Black ich and Flukes are the same? So that explains the other fish dieing and the Naso Tang. Should I do a second dose today? Or wait 7 days?

Not exactly the same; but both are worms. Turbellarians (black ich) are sometimes more resistant to prazi IME. But I would go ahead and dose Prazi again; the black dots should clear within 24 hrs.

bif24701 said:
I added as directed, 5ml/20 gallons. Is that correct?

Yes

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

Humblefish said:
Not exactly the same; but both are worms. Turbellarians (black ich) are sometimes more resistant to prazi IME. But I would go ahead and dose Prazi again; the black dots should clear within 24 hrs.

Yes

Same amount? It's a 40 cube with a 406 Fluval canister so I add 11ml?

bif24701 · Dec 31, 2016

I just remembered I added carbon after the water change......

I'll remove the carbon and add the Parazipro again, stupid me lol.

Humblefish · Dec 31, 2016

bif24701 said:
Same amount? It's a 40 cube with a 406 Fluval canister so I add 11ml?

That sounds about right. If prazi fails to clear them, then treating with formalin usually works.

bif24701 · Jan 1, 2017

Humblefish said:
That sounds about right. If prazi fails to clear them, then treating with formalin usually works.

Tang looks improved, will monitor closely today. How many treatments of Parazipro is safe to do in a row? I won't be able to do another water change until Jan 4 when my salt gets here. I do have about another ~10-15 gallons ready to go now.

bif24701 · Jan 1, 2017

Humblefish said:
That sounds about right. If prazi fails to clear them, then treating with formalin usually works.

I'll go the formalin route if I still see signs of them. When will I know they are gone? Will all signs of them be gone after a few days?

Humblefish · Jan 1, 2017

bif24701 said:
Tang looks improved, will monitor closely today. How many treatments of Parazipro is safe to do in a row? I won't be able to do another water change until Jan 4 when my salt gets here. I do have about another ~10-15 gallons ready to go now.

bif24701 said:
I'll go the formalin route if I still see signs of them. When will I know they are gone? Will all signs of them be gone after a few days?

When using prazi to treat turbellarians: Dose once, wait 7 days, do a 25% WC and then dose again. If worms reappear after that use formalin instead.

When using formalin to treat turbellarians: Administer a 45 min bath and then transfer the fish into a sterile QT. Wait 7 days, and then rinse & repeat.

You always want to transfer the fish into a new/sterile QT after each formalin bath to prevent reinfection. I advise against prolonged exposure to formalin by treating in-tank.