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Definitely seen you there as well. Unfortunately, SBB is not company A or B. That’s what has me puzzled. So many have excellent success with SBB coral, but I can’t seem to find that sweet spot for them. What parameters do you keep your tank at? There has to be something I’m doing that their corals don’t like. I just have to find it. Also, you must be empathic. Companies A and B are WWC and TSA. They qualify as my LFS’s.
I'd ask @billyocean who is the SBB whisperer on tank help. Your tank looks amazing btw, so it's got to be something minor.
 
I had similar thoughts as @livinlifeinBKK . Sample size is important when coming to conclusions. And it was the only vendor that shipped to you, which is proven to increase stress. Could also be the species played a factor- smooth stuff like Acropora echinata (Hawkins, etc) is very sensitive to dipping and most smoothies don't ship as well from what I understand. On the bright side, that is awesome that you had such a low mortality rate with the other two vendors. Weather has been warm lately (at least up here in Michigan) and e commerce is probably picking up because of tax returns
 
I'm 29 surviving out of 31 SBB acros. To be fair, only two deaths occurred after I dosed Reef Flux which made me nervous.

Parameters are as follows:

78 degrees (inkbird)
7.5 alk (Hanna)
.03-.08 PO4 (Hanna)
5-8 Nitrates (Hanna)
425 calcium (Salifert)
1425 mag (Aquaforest)
About 8.2 ph (Hanna)

I recently switched to Aquaforest Probiotic salt, but was using TM Probiotic salt prior. I dose all for reef 17ml a day to maintain alk, water change 10,% weekly. Use Korallen Zucht pohls coral vitalizer and Aquavitro fuel as well as live Tetra and Nanno phyto that I culture daily.
I see two things a bit different, but not that much. I’ll have to look into your supplements. I really don’t use any additives except dosing the big three and aminos. Water change is auto at 2 gallons a day.

mine are:

35.0 salinity
79-80 degrees
8.0 Alk
0.08 PO4
15-18 Nitrates (raised from 5.0-8.0 on SBBs suggestion)
430 calcium
1475 mag
PH 7.95-8.2 daily swings

The things I think I should focus on are light, temp and possible shipping stress. Shipping stress being coming from the northwest in winter to Florida where it’s already 85 degrees. Light being possible hot spots under the 4 XR30 Gen 5blue lights. I may not have light acclimated them as good as I should. And, My temp does run a litter high. I’ll figure it out because I really like SBBs corals And I refuse to accept failure.
 
Once arrived, I would float them in the sump for about an hour. After that, I would acclimate them to salinity and them dip them in Coral RX for 5-6 minutes in a 50-50 mixture of bag water and tank water. Then rinse them in tank water and position them in a Frag rack at a medium to low position in the tank. They would stay there for 1-2 days at a PAR of around 200 and then position them in their final position on the top ledges. PAR at the final positions runs about 275-325 With good flow. Same as I do with the other Acro’s.

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WOW, beautiful tank! Your acclimation process seems pretty standard. The only thing I'll mention is the Coral Rx dip (which I have used with shipped corals before) WWC has stated that they don't recommend dipping shipped specimens upon arrival which makes sense in theory...but I have done it with no bad effects.

My .02 cents - the shipping stress is the culprit.
 
WOW, beautiful tank! Your acclimation process seems pretty standard. The only thing I'll mention is the Coral Rx dip (which I have used with shipped corals before) WWC has stated that they don't recommend dipping shipped specimens upon arrival which makes sense in theory...but I have done it with no bad effects.

My .02 cents - the shipping stress is the culprit.
We may have found the culprit. All my other corals are local pickup. These are the only ones I get that are shipped.
 
Okay, Billy, you stumped me an that comment. Enlighten me.
Lol..that was at @Kasrift because I already answered. I always dip corals. What I was saying is Shane dips them in KCL before he bags them up. Could be the coral rx is too harsh on them when you dip them afterwards. I use kcl as well before they go in tank. Coral rx is a pretty harsh dip...good dip..but harsh. I'm thinking that could be the issue due to the fact they are dipped before shipping
 
Lol..that was at @Kasrift because I already answered. I always dip corals. What I was saying is Shane dips them in KCL before he bags them up. Could be the coral rx is too harsh on them when you dip them afterwards. I use kcl as well before they go in tank. Coral rx is a pretty harsh dip...good dip..but harsh. I'm thinking that could be the issue due to the fact they are dipped before shipping
Thanks Billy. This makes absolute perfect sense. Since it’s only the SBB corals that are struggling, I can see that double dipping them over 2-3 days could cause them to suffer Greatly. I stayed away from grabbing something on their last two sales, but this gives me confidence to try them again. Hopefully the corals I still have will be able to pull through and stay alive. Time will tell.
 
Thanks Billy. This makes absolute perfect sense. Since it’s only the SBB corals that are struggling, I can see that double dipping them over 2-3 days could cause them to suffer Greatly. I stayed away from grabbing something on their last two sales, but this gives me confidence to try them again. Hopefully the corals I still have will be able to pull through and stay alive. Time will tell.
I would still suggest a dip but no coral rx. Potassium Chloride (kcl) off of Amazon. You can run 2 tablespoons per gallon of dip..one seems to do fine as well...I'm a 1.5 tablespoons of it man myself..lol.
 
I would still suggest a dip but no coral rx. Potassium Chloride (kcl) off of Amazon. You can run 2 tablespoons per gallon of dip..one seems to do fine as well...I'm a 1.5 tablespoons of it man myself..lol.
Outstanding. I love their corals and need to replace my losses. Gotta gear up for the next sale. Maybe get where I can compete with you high end snipers. :grinning-face-with-sweat:
 
Outstanding. I love their corals and need to replace my losses. Gotta gear up for the next sale. Maybe get where I can compete with you high end snipers. :grinning-face-with-sweat:
Lol..panda is the sniper. I've been grabbing moat of my stuff in vip because I have most of the drops. You know there's a 10 day guarantee on the corals too right? Lately I've been going after no name stuff to see how it colors up.
 
I think shipping stress is a huge factor, especially with acros. As such, when I get any coral, I do not drip acclimate them. They are floated for 30 minutes for temp, dipped for 10 minutes in Coral Rx, then immediately added to the tank. Even then, stn may popup at any time.
 
The best way I've seen/read about someone doing is setting up a small tank and just putting them in there for 2 or 3 days THEN dipping them and adding to dt. This is for any vendor you order from. It's not a qt but rather a place to let them acclimate before dipping. I don't do it but it sounds legit.
 
The best way I've seen/read about someone doing is setting up a small tank and just putting them in there for 2 or 3 days THEN dipping them and adding to dt. This is for any vendor you order from. It's not a qt but rather a place to let them acclimate before dipping. I don't do it but it sounds legit.
I've heard about this too and it piques my interest, but it is just another tank that has to have perfect parameters. The best thing I've ever seen was a YouTube video where some one did auto water changes to another 20g to hold as a coral quarantine and that auto water changes to a drain. It was very interesting.
 
Yes on the 10 day guarantee. I talked extensively with SBB once I started seeing the corals start receding, and we discussed just about everything that could by at play, but we never hit on the dipping. The regression was very slow and the corals looked perfect when I got them. I feel confident you have probably found the right answer. Hopefully the ones that are still alive will recover.

Panda huh. I’ll have to watch him.
 
Understand, but some of them already had algae growing on the base, so they weren’t very fresh frags.
I'd counter with, if they weren't encrusting, they might not have been growing well at all since fragging. Depends on the species as well since things like birdsnest just don't encrust much no matter how well they grow.

[Edit]On the other hand your track record of survivors is frankly pretty amazing... I'm at 0% survival rate on acros and no longer attempt to keep them...
 
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