Yes and its also more than that, Europe has a different political profile also … My Brown bear population analogy per country clearly shows that …
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jabberwock
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I deal with multiple unit conversions everyday at work. I understand PPM very well. It is not a difficult concept. 400 out of 1,000,000. See all those zeroes?
Who is 60 and who is 30?
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jabberwock
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Yep, 200 ppm increase is not a big deal...
rhizotron
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If you feel like you have to make an appeal to a murderous, genocidal, Communist dictator who betrayed the memory of his own family to support your argument, it may be time to reevaluate your position. Who do you think you're going to convince with that?
Whenever I hear Xi Jinping cheerleaders claim "Chinese people can't handle freedom" the only conclusion I can draw is that they must not think much of Chinese people.
KrisReef
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Can we compare Magnesium ppm vs Calcium to improve the discussion on insignificance of ~400 ppm? Using copper is like using plutonium and it stresses toxicity instead of concentrations.
Of course, CO2 is a gas a copper is a metal. Such deflections are not useful for finding the truth of a matter. Why deflect?
Can anyone remember that one volcanic eruption can easily add more CO2 to the atmosphere than our industrial progress does. I don't know if you can save the planet but one good volcanic eruption will extinct all of us faster than we can convert to battery power. The same eruption will throw so much dust into the atmosphere we wont be able to use our solar panels for awhile either. But wind power, that explosion should generate one heck of a wind locally, so its not all a wash.
So much plastic, could stop up a volcano with them?
Rock on.
@blaxsun
Worth mentioning that this is a aquarium (reef) forum… but since you asked
While this lil factoid seems unimportant/irrelevant IMO it does highlight European attitude towards wildlife/conservation vs American political influence therein …
Bearing in mind this is the same species, so when you factor in area and population density, the American political influence on wildlife and conservation law/attitude is distressing … Also bear in mind how long Europe has been civilized and living with wildlife vs, the wave of slaughter/extinction wave that followed colonization of the North American continent within 3 centuries
Eurasian Brown Bear
There are believed to be over 100,000 brown bears in Russia, about 36,000 of which are in in European Russia. Elsewhere in Europe there are a total of around 17,000 brown bears, around 5,000 to 6,000 of these being found in the Carpathian Mountains area of Romania, the largest single population outside Russia.
Brown Bear population in Alaska and lower 48 states:
If you discount Alaska, the numbers are saddening
Worth mentioning that this is a aquarium (reef) forum… but since you asked
While this lil factoid seems unimportant/irrelevant IMO it does highlight European attitude towards wildlife/conservation vs American political influence therein …
Bearing in mind this is the same species, so when you factor in area and population density, the American political influence on wildlife and conservation law/attitude is distressing … Also bear in mind how long Europe has been civilized and living with wildlife vs, the wave of slaughter/extinction wave that followed colonization of the North American continent within 3 centuries
Eurasian Brown Bear
There are believed to be over 100,000 brown bears in Russia, about 36,000 of which are in in European Russia. Elsewhere in Europe there are a total of around 17,000 brown bears, around 5,000 to 6,000 of these being found in the Carpathian Mountains area of Romania, the largest single population outside Russia.
Brown Bear population in Alaska and lower 48 states:
| Alaska | 30,000 |
| Idaho | 80-100 |
| Montana | 1,800-2,000 |
| Washington | 500 |
| Wyoming | 600 |
If you discount Alaska, the numbers are saddening
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Lavey29
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That speech is spot on right.
@KrisReef … indeed …and I’ve always thought about this…
heck 2-3 good eruptions and no amount of electric vehicles will make a dang bit of difference
heck 2-3 good eruptions and no amount of electric vehicles will make a dang bit of difference
blaxsun
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Wow. You missed the point entirely... This has nothing to do with being a "Xi Jinping cheerleader" (your words, not mine), but rather the stark reality that people can't and don't want to live in poverty and are going to do whatever to better themselves and their children (and they don't or won't have the luxury of "going green").
Why do you think fish are collected with cyanide? Why do you think people fish with drift nets? What about scavenging warship graves in the South/Indo-Pacific? One can be morally opposed (and even outraged) with these acts, but understanding the reasons why (without condoning them) is more important.
rhizotron
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No. I really didn't miss the point. I've heard this kind of specious justification for just doing whatever you want a million times already, so I recognize it when I see it.
Lavey29
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Yea you did just like the rest of the people.
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blaxsun
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but brown bears originated in Asia - so it makes perfect sense that there would be a lot more of them in Eurasia. The countries with the largest brown bear populations in the world are (drum roll)...
1. Russia (~120,000).
2. USA (~32,500, of which something like ~30,000 are in Alaska).
3. Canada (~25,000).
4. Europe (~14,000, ranging from Spain to Scandanavia; Romania has the most at ~5,000-6,000).
5. Japan (~2,000-3,000).
So from a conservation standpoint, both the US and Canada are doing quite well (considering the bears didn't originate here and crossed over the Bering Strait). And brown bears aren't exactly the type (unlike coyotes and other smaller predators) to routinely venture into urban or even rurally populated areas - preferring to stay in "the wild". Russia, Alaska and Canada have large open tracks of untouched wilderness for bears to proliferate in.
rhizotron
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That wasn't my only comment, it is relevant to my point, and I don't have to agree to anything.
blecki
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Volcanoes. Really. Now it's okay to pollute because of volcanoes?
And you completely made it up too. We emit way more than all the volcanoes combined. Look what I found doing less than five minutes of that 'independent research' people love so much:
www.forbes.com
> In fact, even if we include the rare, very large volcanic eruptions, like 1980's Mount St. Helens or 1991's Mount Pinatubo eruption, they only emitted 10 and 50 million tons of CO2 each, respectively. It would take three Mount St. Helens and one Mount Pinatubo eruption every day to equal the amount that humanity is presently emitting.
apnews.com
> “There is no truth to that,” said Tobias Fischer, a volcanologist at the University of New Mexico. “If you take all the emissions that all volcanoes together produce in a given year, it’s much smaller than what humans emit in a given year. And that’s been shown many times.”
www.reuters.com
> Simon Carn, Professor of Geological and Mining Engineering and Sciences at Michigan Technological University, concurred and said the best estimates for Mt. Etna’s volcanic CO2 emissions are at “~3 million tons per year.” “Hence Etna’s CO2 emissions are roughly ~0.01% of anthropogenic emissions in a typical year. A single eruption of Etna would emit much less CO2, and so the percentage would be even smaller.”
www.climate.gov
> While higher than Gerlach's estimate, the figure is still just a fraction of carbon dioxide output from human activities. Gerlach remarked via email, “Taken at face value, their result implies that anthropogenic CO2 exceeds global volcanic CO2 by at least a factor of 60 times.”
You also probably think volcanic eruptions are rare things. In reality there are about 20 active eruptions every single day.
We - that is, US, HUMANS, emit 1% of the current atmospheric content of co2 every year. It doesn't go away. It piles up year after year.
You want to compare co2 to co2 then? You ever run a co2 scrubber? To remove co2 from the water? Why would anyone do that if it's harmless? Go ahead and start running some co2 on your reef tank. There are plenty of cheap co2 rigs out there for planted tanks, get one of them. Lets see how long your corals last when the PH is 7.5.
And you completely made it up too. We emit way more than all the volcanoes combined. Look what I found doing less than five minutes of that 'independent research' people love so much:
How Much CO2 Does A Single Volcano Emit?
Does humanity really drive the climate on Earth? Or is nature fully in control?
www.forbes.com
> In fact, even if we include the rare, very large volcanic eruptions, like 1980's Mount St. Helens or 1991's Mount Pinatubo eruption, they only emitted 10 and 50 million tons of CO2 each, respectively. It would take three Mount St. Helens and one Mount Pinatubo eruption every day to equal the amount that humanity is presently emitting.
Humans emit more CO2 than volcanoes
False. Human activity produces far more CO2 than volcanoes, experts told The Associated Press, and overwhelming scientific evidence shows that climate change is caused by human behavior.
apnews.com
> “There is no truth to that,” said Tobias Fischer, a volcanologist at the University of New Mexico. “If you take all the emissions that all volcanoes together produce in a given year, it’s much smaller than what humans emit in a given year. And that’s been shown many times.”
Volcanoes do not produce more CO2 emissions than human activity
An eruption of Italy’s Mt. Etna, Europe's highest and most active volcano, does not produce “10,000 times” more carbon dioxide (CO2) than “mankind has in our entire time on earth”. Contrary to a years-old meme containing this false statement, the combined activity of all volcanoes on earth is...
> Simon Carn, Professor of Geological and Mining Engineering and Sciences at Michigan Technological University, concurred and said the best estimates for Mt. Etna’s volcanic CO2 emissions are at “~3 million tons per year.” “Hence Etna’s CO2 emissions are roughly ~0.01% of anthropogenic emissions in a typical year. A single eruption of Etna would emit much less CO2, and so the percentage would be even smaller.”
Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities?
Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year.
> While higher than Gerlach's estimate, the figure is still just a fraction of carbon dioxide output from human activities. Gerlach remarked via email, “Taken at face value, their result implies that anthropogenic CO2 exceeds global volcanic CO2 by at least a factor of 60 times.”
You also probably think volcanic eruptions are rare things. In reality there are about 20 active eruptions every single day.
We - that is, US, HUMANS, emit 1% of the current atmospheric content of co2 every year. It doesn't go away. It piles up year after year.
Volcanoes, but I'm the one deflecting?
You want to compare co2 to co2 then? You ever run a co2 scrubber? To remove co2 from the water? Why would anyone do that if it's harmless? Go ahead and start running some co2 on your reef tank. There are plenty of cheap co2 rigs out there for planted tanks, get one of them. Lets see how long your corals last when the PH is 7.5.
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Decades man. Yeah it’s pretty sad. We had a fun little trip planned for mini season and canceled.
Heard Alligator is just torched…..
jabberwock
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Is emitting CO2 polluting???Volcanoes. Really. Now it's okay to pollute because of volcanoes?
And you completely made it up too. We emit way more than all the volcanoes combined. Look what I found doing less than five minutes of that 'independent research' people love so much:
How Much CO2 Does A Single Volcano Emit?
Does humanity really drive the climate on Earth? Or is nature fully in control?
> In fact, even if we include the rare, very large volcanic eruptions, like 1980's Mount St. Helens or 1991's Mount Pinatubo eruption, they only emitted 10 and 50 million tons of CO2 each, respectively. It would take three Mount St. Helens and one Mount Pinatubo eruption every day to equal the amount that humanity is presently emitting.
Humans emit more CO2 than volcanoes
False. Human activity produces far more CO2 than volcanoes, experts told The Associated Press, and overwhelming scientific evidence shows that climate change is caused by human behavior.
> “There is no truth to that,” said Tobias Fischer, a volcanologist at the University of New Mexico. “If you take all the emissions that all volcanoes together produce in a given year, it’s much smaller than what humans emit in a given year. And that’s been shown many times.”
Volcanoes do not produce more CO2 emissions than human activity
An eruption of Italy’s Mt. Etna, Europe's highest and most active volcano, does not produce “10,000 times” more carbon dioxide (CO2) than “mankind has in our entire time on earth”. Contrary to a years-old meme containing this false statement, the combined activity of all volcanoes on earth is...
> Simon Carn, Professor of Geological and Mining Engineering and Sciences at Michigan Technological University, concurred and said the best estimates for Mt. Etna’s volcanic CO2 emissions are at “~3 million tons per year.” “Hence Etna’s CO2 emissions are roughly ~0.01% of anthropogenic emissions in a typical year. A single eruption of Etna would emit much less CO2, and so the percentage would be even smaller.”
Which emits more carbon dioxide: volcanoes or human activities?
Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year.
> While higher than Gerlach's estimate, the figure is still just a fraction of carbon dioxide output from human activities. Gerlach remarked via email, “Taken at face value, their result implies that anthropogenic CO2 exceeds global volcanic CO2 by at least a factor of 60 times.”
You also probably think volcanic eruptions are rare things. In reality there are about 20 active eruptions every single day.
We - that is, US, HUMANS, emit 1% of the current atmospheric content of co2 every year. It doesn't go away. It piles up year after year.
Volcanoes, but I'm the one deflecting?
You want to compare co2 to co2 then? You ever run a co2 scrubber? To remove co2 from the water? Why would anyone do that if it's harmless? Go ahead and start running some co2 on your reef tank. There are plenty of cheap co2 rigs out there for planted tanks, get one of them. Lets see how long your corals last when the PH is 7.5.
