I Was Wrong

[Doctorgori]

So was it a crocodile or a gator? (guessing if it was the former it was a pet release at some point in the past?)

The reality is that most of Florida is a swamp, and gators pretty much go with the territory (not really any different than the coyotes that snag the occasional small dog up here).

Actually a little known fact:
Florida has more Crocodiles (about 2000) than most countries (that includes most Asian, African and south American countries) …I looked it up
and BTW its a native species and also btw why they are scared to death of a nile croc sighting …if you thought pythons were bad enough…

Apologies taking things sideways but I think by in large we, us everyone is grossly uniformed about a lot of environmental things regardless

 

[trapphd]

All of these strawmen — Greta and anyone else famous, as amplified by the media and not necessarily PhDs on the ground doing the work; supposedly only caring about the fate charismatic megafauna, like polar bears; and claims of dubious scientific methodology to account for 'the other side' — do not register with those in the field or practitioners. They're convenient to ascribe simplistic motives to but don't account for any sort of nuance, or frankly, where capital flows to energy and/or climate adaptation projects based on demonstrated need and rigorous study. You can be a proponent of renewable energy and mitigation measures without caring about the usual suspects raised as if they're the only things driving the discourse. In my experience, nobody I know has ever mentioned any of the above; you'd be laughed out of a deal if you said "our client needs this solar project to be sited because we watched a Greta speech."

 

[Doctorgori]

All of these strawmen — Greta and anyone else famous, as amplified by the media and not necessarily PhDs on the ground doing the work; supposedly only caring about the fate charismatic megafauna, like polar bears; and claims of dubious scientific methodology to account for 'the other side' — do not register with those in the field or practitioners. They're convenient to ascribe simplistic motives to but don't account for any sort of nuance, or frankly, where capital flows to energy and/or climate adaptation projects based on demonstrated need and rigorous study. You can be a proponent of renewable energy and mitigation measures without caring about the usual suspects raised as if they're the only things driving the discourse. In my experience, nobody I know has ever mentioned any of the above; you'd be laughed out of a deal if you said "our client needs this solar project to be sited because we watched a Greta speech."

what worries me is when money and science intersect, this being regardless of which side of the debate the scientist/pHD was on….

Also unfortunately is any solution is going to be biased to that end.

Lost to history is a very revered leader wanted to put oil rigs off Key Largo/S.Fla (true story)…Now it copper mines in salmon runs…
We wish politics, science, money and consumer demand didn’t intermix but in the near future our choices might be smoked salmon or cheap cell phones…

 

[Lavey29]

You need to update your knowledge about Europe

More facts about the worlds average temperature between 90 degree S and 90 degree N around the world

Sincerely Lasse

I guess I could call or visit my family members or friends in Germany, Croatia. Italy or France for an update.

 

[Lasse]

Watch the entire video. It's eye-opening.

Some more facts that´s maybe can open another eyes

It seems that things not are there they should be

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Lasse]

I guess I could call or visit my family members or friends in Germany, Croatia. Italy or France for an update.

Do that - meantime - you can take part of this information as an example

In Sweden - life expectancy for men is around 81 and for female around 85 year

As I know it cold have been no problem but the heatwave over continental Europe this year (In Northern part during June) and in the rest - during July had create problems. Here is one example. And in the Mediterranean Sea - No El Niño. This heatwave is not a function of going green - its a function of climate

Sincerely Lasse

 

[fish farmer]

what worries me is when money and science intersect, this being regardless of which side of the debate the scientist/pHD was on….

Also unfortunately is any solution is going to be biased to that end.

Lost to history is a very revered leader wanted to put oil rigs off Key Largo/S.Fla (true story)…Now it copper mines in salmon runs…
We wish politics, science, money and consumer demand didn’t intermix but in the near future our choices might be smoked salmon or cheap cell phones…

You'll still get your smoked salmon. There's a big new land based salmon farm in...Florida.

 

[biophilia]

So much of the debate about whether we should be concerned about anthropogenic warming focuses on charismatic megafauna in the arctic, the miles-long belts of colorful stony corals visable from space, large animals viewable (or not) while on vacation to an African safari, etc because they are visually provocative representations of a "wildness" we identify as being separate from ourselves, but important to preserve.

IMO when talking about climate change, pollution, habitat loss, etc, most people are ignoring the fate of the vast majority of life on earth: meiobiota -- represented mainly by the insects -- which nearly all food systems depend on. Terrestrial insects are disappearing at a rate of roughly 10% per decade which has alarming implications for a whole lot of species, including our own. People arguing that the current rate of warming and species loss is merely of symptom of normal climatic cycles, despite multiple fields of converging scientific evidence to the contrary, need to be proposing some very scientifically robust alternative explanations for the speed at which meiobiota are disappearing to be taken seriously.

 

[Lasse]

People arguing that the current rate of warming and species loss is merely of symptom of normal climatic cycles,

Even if they are right (Which they are not - IMO) - there is some type of logical infarct taken place between their ears. We know that CO2 magnify the greenhouse effect. We know that CO2 has rise from around 280 ppm pre industrial time to todays +410 ppm. We know that we emit around 36.8 Gt CO2 per year to the atmosphere. We can´t control natural processes but we can control our extra contribution to them. Not to do that is like throwing extra gasoline on a bush fire in the belief that it does not matter for the outcome.

To the original post - heat is nowadays not seen as the only factor in coral bleaching other stress factors may increase sensitivity to warmer water. one of those is the ratio between N and P in PO4 concentrations below 0.04 mg/L.

Sincerely Lasse.

 

[blaxsun]

China accounts for more greenhouse emissions than the next top 4, and China and India combined account for more greenhouse emissions than the other top 8.

What we manage to save in the "West" every year is easily offset (and then some) by increases in the "East".

 

[trapphd]

China accounts for more greenhouse emissions than the next top 4, and China and India combined account for more greenhouse emissions than the other top 8.

What we manage to save in the "West" every year is easily offset (and then some) by increases in the "East".

My advisor in grad school tasked me to show around a speaker we had (she was a think tank director with expertise in China) and, in her remarks, she said China's motto w/r/t building new coal plants was literally "Go big, squash small." That was in 2013! So, you're absolutely right that many other large industrialized (and emerging) economies are contributing a lot to GHGs.

Separate from my work, I've always been interested in the idea of energy poverty. Who are we to dictate to any other country how they should electricify their grid? We certainly didn't have any pushback when we were getting our economy up to speed in the 1900s. So, while it's admirable that we tell Sub-Saharan governments that we'll help with solar panels in their villages, it's also not our place to preclude them from using any sort of energy (biomass, coal, whatever) to boost the livelihoods of their own people and strengthen their industrial activities. Again, not really a right or wrong answer, and definitely not one that can be applied everywhere!

 

[Doctorgori]

So much of the debate about whether we should be concerned about anthropogenic warming focuses on charismatic megafauna in the arctic, the miles-long belts of colorful stony corals visable from space, large animals viewable (or not) while on vacation to an African safari, etc because they are visually provocative representations of a "wildness" we identify as being separate from ourselves, but important to preserve.

IMO when talking about climate change, pollution, habitat loss, etc, most people are ignoring the fate of the vast majority of life on earth: meiobiota -- represented mainly by the insects -- which nearly all food systems depend on. Terrestrial insects are disappearing at a rate of roughly 10% per decade which has alarming implications for a whole lot of species, including our own. People arguing that the current rate of warming and species loss is merely of symptom of normal climatic cycles, despite multiple fields of converging scientific evidence to the contrary, need to be proposing some very scientifically robust alternative explanations for the speed at which meiobiota are disappearing to be taken seriously.

Anyone old enough to remember when someone actually came out and pumped your gas, back then the radiator actually had zillions of bugs in it…
Also, back in the day, there used to be bugs by the porch light, crickets at night and big moths, butterfly’s and June bugs,,,,,
Anymore I got a clean radiator (not a single bug in it), clean windshield and haven’t seen a giant moth (green or brown) in 40 yrs… nights are WAAAY quieter than 40yrs ago …. no more butterfly’s either…
Methinks the Monsanto lobby has more $$ than the moth collector lobby…

 

[Court_Appointed_Hypeman]

I'm not a climate change denier, but in my view the biggest mistake the environmental movement ever made was to drop all the issues over which there was pretty broad consensus (basic natural resources conservation, wildlife, scenery, clean air & water, etc) to push this idea immediately turned into a political football and with the effect of tuning out 1/2 of the stakeholders involved. Sensationalist news headlines and overreaching claims about climate change have also opened up the rhetorical space for the hardcore anti-environment faction.

More recently the loudest voices discussing climate change have been the most politically polarized. These Left Wing folks prioritize their ideological purity and insider jargon over the real world we live in and frame their treatment of climate change accordingly. This has further degraded wildlife/biodiversity as a value. You can even be a called a racist if you try to advocate for wildlife or nature and I've had this experience more than once.

The dismissal by environmentalists of the rest of the environment as a value also begs the question of the intended goal of climate change mitigation. If the answer is the preservation of "civilization" or "humanity", then unless you live way out in the boonies all you have to do is look out your window to seriously undermine this assumption.

Idk what region you are in, but there is plenty of anti regulation of all of the wildlife/water/air going back to the 70s. Probably further, and even still. At least nationally in the united states.

 

[blaxsun]

Anymore I got a clean radiator (not a single bug in it), clean windshield and haven’t seen a giant moth (green or brown) in 40 yrs… nights are WAAAY quieter than 40yrs ago …. no more butterfly’s either…

I'll seriously trade you radiators... (there is no shortage of bugs here by a long shot!)

 

[blaxsun]

Separate from my work, I've always been interested in the idea of energy poverty. Who are we to dictate to any other country how they should electricify their grid? We certainly didn't have any pushback when we were getting our economy up to speed in the 1900s. So, while it's admirable that we tell Sub-Saharan governments that we'll help with solar panels in their villages, it's also not our place to preclude them from using any sort of energy (biomass, coal, whatever) to boost the livelihoods of their own people and strengthen their industrial activities. Again, not really a right or wrong answer, and definitely not one that can be applied everywhere!

Here's an interesting statistic for you: China has emitted more carbon dioxide over the past eight years than the UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution (between 1750-2020).

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Couple weeks back I posted a thread bashing the 101 degree water temperature recorded in the Florida Keys. I blew it off as headlines and thought the corals would be fine in their heavy flow environment. I was wrong. I’ve been diving the last few days in the keys and it’s sad to say there’s a lot of white Coral. More white corals than colored ones. Everything is bleached. The most concerning part is that big corals are bleached. Corals that took years to grow are now dead.

Ok, disclosure…not stalking. As this post is five pages deep now I decided to look at your previous post. Just trying to wrap my head around this. The post I think you are referencing, where you are quote bashing the 101 degree temp…….ONE single reply. This post, FIVE pages now…. Not that it means anything at all, it’s just interesting is all

 

[flashsmith]

China accounts for more greenhouse emissions than the next top 4, and China and India combined account for more greenhouse emissions than the other top 8.

What we manage to save in the "West" every year is easily offset (and then some) by increases in the "East".

If it wasn't coming from China or India it would just be produced elsewhere. Greenhouse gasses in my opinion are just one of many factors. You wanna see some real waterway pollution watch Jeremy Wades Mighty rivers to fully understand how much pollution is being put into the worlds waterways. Having lived and fished in Florida my entire 52 years I watched our coastal waters become void of life and what's left isn't in good shape. Our coastal waters are filled with fecal matter and pesticide runoff that have killed hundreds of miles of native seagrass. Scientists are finding high amounts of all types of prescription drugs in fish here. The fish certainly aren't getting prescriptions for them. They're being passed from us to them. Every fish swimming in the ocean today has microplastics in their systems. I feel like we've reached a point of no return.

 

[rhizotron]

Idk what region you are in, but there is plenty of anti regulation of all of the wildlife/water/air going back to the 70s. Probably further, and even still. At least nationally in the united states.

Huh? I think you might have missed my point.

 

[blaxsun]

If it wasn't coming from China or India it would just be produced elsewhere. Greenhouse gasses in my opinion are just one of many factors. You wanna see some real waterway pollution watch Jeremy Wades Mighty rivers to fully understand how much pollution is being put into the worlds waterways. Having lived and fished in Florida my entire 52 years I watched our coastal waters become void of life and what's left isn't in good shape. Our coastal waters are filled with fecal matter and pesticide runoff that have killed hundreds of miles of native seagrass. Scientists are finding high amounts of all types of prescription drugs in fish here. The fish certainly aren't getting prescriptions for them. They're being passed from us to them. Every fish swimming in the ocean today has microplastics in their systems. I feel like we've reached a point of no return.

To be sure, but if it was being manufactured in North America or Europe the power consumption would be natural gas, nuclear or solar/wind/wave - not primarily coal.

I don't disagree that environmentally things are potentially a lot worse than Co2 emissions.

 

[Freenow54]

Couple weeks back I posted a thread bashing the 101 degree water temperature recorded in the Florida Keys. I blew it off as headlines and thought the corals would be fine in their heavy flow environment. I was wrong. I’ve been diving the last few days in the keys and it’s sad to say there’s a lot of white Coral. More white corals than colored ones. Everything is bleached. The most concerning part is that big corals are bleached. Corals that took years to grow are now dead.

I did not see any blame being put on the amount of cruise ships that constantly dump huge amounts of pollutants in the Ocean