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Would it be ok if i started a discussion on the price of zoanthids?

I will be useing a few items from liveaquaria.com's divers den as examples.

Is this going to be against forum rules?
 
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not sure about the rules but I bet it will get lively....
 
To mods/admins, Please dont ban me for this, you can see above that i have asked first, if this is against rules please just close the thread.

What i've noticed is a SEVERE price jump when any blue polyps are included and I cant seem to figure out why that is. Here are the examples i am talking about:
 
the blue thing is because theyre not very common, you just dont see many of them
some colors are more common then others like greens and oranges but blue is just one of those colors that you dont see huge amounts of
 
I AM NOT SELLING THESE CORALS. pls tracert my ip address i am across the country from these guys. these prices are plus shipping.

#1 - $190

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#2 - $170

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#3 - $190

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#1 is completely inflated. WAYYY overpriced. I count 8 blue polyps. the rest are green button polyps that are very, very common. Ive seen a colony just like that minus the blues for sale for $40. sick! think about that, $150 more for 8 polyps? what? are you sure?

#2 looks like about 40 polyps of blue with brown skirt and its $170. thats roughly $4.25 / polyp. thats like tubbs pricing for whatever these are. they look alot less colorful than tubbs. anyone else think they are knockoffs? would anyone pay this price?!

#3 looks like a smallish colony again probably abour $5 per polyp. these i have to admit are really nice but i couldnt see myself paying that price.

Now compare those to these colonies for sale from the same site!

#4 - $60

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#5 - $60

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#6 - $50

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#4 and #5 look like they're about $0.10 per polyp!!

#6 are really nice looking polyps. much better than #2 and these are roughly $1 each.

I can't understand this pricing. It just doesnt make any sense to me! I can understand the rarity issue but ive seen polyps like this in the LFS and there lots of sellers selling them online. The dont seem THAT rare that they cost THAT much more than other polyps. comments?
 
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I can post many many more examples off of the same site that show how inflated this blue pricing is. It makes no sense!
 
Does anyone else feel the way i do? These polyps are definitely no longer rare, if they were before, ok, but i feel they need to come down. I mean blue is a color just like red, green and orange. What makes it so much more appealing? I can completely understand them taking a higher price than other colors but 5-10 times as much is just outrageous. am i alone here?
 
Zoo pricing is often over-inflated because they are so popular at the moment, especially any unusual colors. I've seen some zoos sell for $45-50/polyp! Blues are expensive even for retailers to buy, but I've sold a 3" colony of blue zoos (all blue, full coverage) for just over $100 before. Because so many people are still willing to pay high prices for blues though I don't see the price dropping significantly in the near future.
 
I realize this. My favorite color is green, i associate it with certain other green things, that i find very enjoyable. And yes i paid $50 for a nuclear green, but it was worth it to me because i like green and those are definitely the nicest greens around. Those i've also still never seen in a LFS. I have seen carribean blues and tubbs blues in LFS. The caribs were $150 for about 50 polyps and i dont know how much the tubbs were. I paid $50 shipped from a hobbyist for 10-15 tubbs blues, because i wanted a blue colony in my tank. I have like 900 green polyps but only about 25 blue ones because of this pricing. its silly but i'm content with what i've got.

a 3" colony of blue polyps for $100 i can understand. thats roughly double or triple the price of a nice 3" colony of a morph of another color. That i can understand because of its rarity. i dont see how people can pay THESE prices though. I mean $190 for what looks to be 8 caribbean blue polyps surrounded by button polyps is insane. If they were PPE i could understand.

It just confuses me because i though the online sellers should try to beat lfs prices. I live in new york too, where everything is like 10% more expensive than anywhere else, yeah its $8 for a pack of smokes here, and alot of these online guys are trying to off polyps at much higher prices than the lfs even here in new york. It doesnt even come close to making sense!
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60 views nobody else has any comments? cmon guys i'm not diseased or anything!! lol.. i dont have nudis or spiders.. i swear!
 
A lot of coral prices are overinflated, but so long as someone continues to pay they're not going to come down. Thats just how things work, whether you're talking about corals, coffee, or everything in between.

Only pay what you're comfortable with, and don't sweat what others are paying. Trading is the best way to get corals that you wouldn't normally pay for.
 
Blue Zoas .. IMHO ... doesn't hold their 'supposedly' Blue colors nor do they brighten up as much .... other than Tubs Blue .. the rest are just probably already bleached Zoas that would eventually turn Brown or fade away ....


Paul
 
A lot of coral prices are overinflated, but so long as someone continues to pay they're not going to come down. Thats just how things work, whether you're talking about corals, coffee, or everything in between.

Only pay what you're comfortable with, and don't sweat what others are paying. Trading is the best way to get corals that you wouldn't normally pay for.

i understand this point. What i dont understand is why people are willing to pay these prices. You can get much looking stuff or much more stuff for that money. i've taken economics 101 and i run a small business so i have an understanding of how prices are set. This just boggles my mind. If people are willing to throw thier money in the trash for this stuff then i think i'm in the wrong business.
 
the thing is to someone its worth it
like to someone 50 a polyp for nucs isnt worth it
youre one side of the fence but you already crossed over when you bought the nucs but still looking from the other side
to someone its worth it, maybe thats someones favorite color just like the green in nucs areyour fav, which i have and dont see what all the hoopla is about, deffinately not worth it to me but thats how it is
 
right, well at the time i bought them, that seemed to be the going rate and there is no chance of ever finding that in the lfs so i kindof had to pay the price they wanted.

I feel that people are going to like whatever color equally, maybe not brown or tan but bright colors i feel should all be on a level playing field as far as demand. supply is a little shorter on blue polyps and that causes some understandable inflated pricing but these blues are starting to pop up around me locally. They're still expensive in the store but still less than these online prices. it seems like even though blues are becoming alot more common, the prices are still going up, which is what is really wierd to me. maybe i'm just out of touch, which is probably the case, and there is steadily rising demand for these polyps. I guess theres no way to really tell what the market will do. Sometimes it seems like some places will inflate prices to actually ATTRACT buyers.
 
I think the price on the blues is fine. It is a colony.
 
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I agree caribbean blues never make it. But if you do find some blues that actually make it, it is very rare, they will command a high price.
 
Only real blues I sell are tubs at 5 a polyp and blue cammands a high price in any coral and even most fish, its a rare morph if it holds it's color without being blasted with light and if its cultured then price can be even higher.
 
Blue Zoas .. IMHO ... doesn't hold their 'supposedly' Blue colors nor do they brighten up as much .... other than Tubs Blue .. the rest are just probably already bleached Zoas that would eventually turn Brown or fade away ....


Paul

very much not true. I have at least ten difernt palys and zoas that are surely blue..bright blu eand hold it. I also run straight white lights...no actinics...no blue lights. There are lots of blues out there at least as nice as the famous tubs blues IMO....some much nicer with more going on than just a nice blue color and brown skirts

As previously said though.......many blues do not remain that way which is part of why the true blue polyps are so desirable
 

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