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Wh00pS32
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So everything in your tank is captive bred?
Reef Ryder
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Yes. And what I mean is that there are enough people taking stuff out of the ocean, we don't need more people doing it for their aquariums. To do research and return is one thing. Being from Hawaii, we are very passionate about the ocean. Being a biology major, I understand that the oceans are depleting largely due to global warming and the second highest reason is divers who remove coral pieces of reef from the ocean, moreso then fisherman who are at least fishing for food. And these are facts. So yes, nothing I have in my tank has ever lived in the ocean. I pay more money but it is worth it.
djreef
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Reef Ryder, I have nothing against concientous reefing, but you really need to do more research before you start condemning folks. Commercial fishing takes infinitely more resources from the ocean than our piddly little hobby does. Metric tons of sea life are stripped fron the oceans every single day by that industry. The Japanese and Chinese have floating factories devoted strictly to processing fish and crustaceans. If you want to point a finger it would be better served pointing it in that direction. How much damage do gigantic drag nets do to a reef? Esp branching Acroporas and other reef building species?
Everything we know to this point about keeping these glorious animals is because someone, somewhere, at some point took them from the ocean and placed them within eye's reach for study.
Global warming is real, despite what our fearless leader dictates. Many species that were lost to this now only exist in hobbyist/public aquariums. They may never make it back to the sea, but at least the outside chance exists that one day they may. From the sea, to my aquarium, back to the sea. Maybe because of us things turn out OK. Something to think about.
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Everything we know to this point about keeping these glorious animals is because someone, somewhere, at some point took them from the ocean and placed them within eye's reach for study.
Global warming is real, despite what our fearless leader dictates. Many species that were lost to this now only exist in hobbyist/public aquariums. They may never make it back to the sea, but at least the outside chance exists that one day they may. From the sea, to my aquarium, back to the sea. Maybe because of us things turn out OK. Something to think about.
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Not entirely sure I agree with this. Yes, it's important to preserve the ocean, and yes we, as hobbyists, certainly have an impact, but without sweeping changes (that would cripple the hobby) one guy taking a small, rapidly proliferating anemone from the ocean isn't going to cause an issue.
Not to get entirely philosophical, but someone removed the great-great-great grandpa to your fishes from the ocean. Did they return it afterward? Did they return the original pair plus another? Even if they had returned them, would they have survived after being in captivity for so long? What about the store owner who removes the fish/coral to sell the fish/coral to buy food for his family? Is it really more sinister than the guy yanking the fish out of the ocean for food when it's really just a few steps removed from the same end result?
Reef Ryder
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I'm not sure if sinister is the correct word, I believe I said it was wrong. Me saying this is backed up by actual real life science so although I do appreciate your concern and not agreeing with me, that's fine because it is backed up by science. I literally study this folks.
Did the first fish come from the ocean? Sure it did, did any of mine come straight from the ocean, taken from there home and placed in a tank? NO. You don't have to like what I said, in fact, I don't like what you said but as mentioned I'm a biology major and I study this for a living.
And if you read it correctly I'm sure I said that climate change is the number one reason the ocean is depletin
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Fair, sinister may have been a tad hyperbolic, but I more or less just meant it as a synonym. I also don't dislike what you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just airing another way to look at it. It's definitely not a black and white topic and I'm sure it crosses every hobbyist's mind at one point or another.
I understand that you study this, but that doesn't change the fact that you're part of the market that facilitates the removal of life from the ocean, whether to sell or to breed and then sell. Whether your contribution is maybe less "wrong", you may not own the crack house, but you're still buying the crack.
Seems you're pretty set in your opinions (and there's nothing wrong with that). I was just trying to bring a new perspective. Consider this me bowing out. Reef on!
Reef Ryder
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First of all crack, love it, not the drug but the analogy LOL. Don't bow out lol you actually made very good points, seriously. As reefers we are all guilty of something at this point, couldn't agree with you more and I thank you for putting that into percpective for me. I do still disagree with taking from the ocean but... I guess since I have quite a few anemones I'm not as innocent as I thought.Fair, sinister may have been a tad hyperbolic, but I more or less just meant it as a synonym. I also don't dislike what you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just airing another way to look at it. It's definitely not a black and white topic and I'm sure it crosses every hobbyist's mind at one point or another.
I understand that you study this, but that doesn't change the fact that you're part of the market that facilitates the removal of life from the ocean, whether to sell or to breed and then sell. Whether your contribution is maybe less "wrong", you may not own the crack house, but you're still buying the crack.
Seems you're pretty set in your opinions (and there's nothing wrong with that). I was just trying to bring a new perspective. Consider this me bowing out. Reef on!
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So the different tangs, flame angel, foxface etc you claim to have owned in other threads were all captive bred.
In another thread you claim to be a LFS owner (where most of your stuff would not be captive bred if true) and then in a later thread you are thinking of getting a part time job in a local LFS so you can help newbies.
Something smells here and it sure aint roses.
Reef Ryder
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I own a LFS? I think you're confused bub.
Reef Ryder
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I am not sure that you read the entire thread, if so, you probably wouldn't have said this, but you did so here I go.. fishing industries hurting the ocean? Definitely! But what the difference between taking a lot of fish and corals and such? The rate of reproduction. No one is condemning anyone, I gave an opinion, I'm starting to think that the people who are only commenting on what I said and totally disregarding the original point to this discussion really have no knowledge or input on this so they just take my comment personal. I invite you to read the threads between myself and LbulletM. And focus on the Part where my 'opinion' is based on science.
Furthermore, I am well aware that the origin story of our aquariums comes from the ocean, but does that mean that we should all go diving and pick what we want and take it out if the ocean? Did you know that most things in the ocean are illegal if human owned, they are felonies, And that many things in the ocean are protected? I did my research, did you?
What is backed up by science? That it is "wrong"? Science doesn't deal in moral judgement. Although I'm interested to see your data on the impact of recreational collection licenses in Florida on "depleting the ocean"!
luke33
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Your exact quote "This is a forum where we share knowledge and/or experiences correct? Before you try to interrogate me please go back and re-read what I said. I never said blennys and gobies couldn't live together. I said there is a chance for aggression or outcompeting. My sources? I have been in the business for years. I own a LFS. Thank you very much for hijacking the thread and trying to make me look like a fool when you only made yourself look like a fool."
Thread: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/thinking-about-adding-a-new-fish.283422/page-2
I have also seen past posts talking about your angel and foxface you currently have. Pretty sure they are not captive born. Just wanted to point this out before digging yourself deeper.
Anyhow, just keep the nem in proper lighting and feed it meaty foods, should be just fine.
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Just go to your local book store and pick up one of those ID cards for local marine life. I have never had a problem picking up those plastic cards that provide images and scientific and common names.
And back to topic please....ID of anemone and other inverts.
And back to topic please....ID of anemone and other inverts.
Reef Ryder
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Again, seems like I'm being attacked and now I'm being accused of saying stuff I've never said. If you go back and read the entire thread (I'm getting tired of saying this) I said the part of the reason after climate change that the oceans are depleting is due to divers taking things out of the ocean, more importantly, things that that reproduce at a slower rate. That's why us as reefers shouldn't literally go in the ocean and remove anything. I also admitted fault in being in the hobby as well, did I not? Did you bother to read the entire thread? Let's put the pitchforks and townsmen to rest people and get on with our lives. I'm sure there is more important things you folks have to do, no?
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I apologize for the absence over the last week and a half to two weeks. Interesting to see I've set off a minor firestorm. My Reef2reef app wasn't loading any threads and I was unable to login on my desktop at work. I will provide an update on the Nems tonight, but all are doing well. I may move them to my display tank this week. Just a little worried my little oscellaris clowns might rough them up. Considering placing them on the opposite side of my tank away from the clowns at least for now.
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Update on Nems: They have been in quarantine since April 8 and are doing very well. I have been feeding primarily sinking pellets and flakes and supplementing with frozen mysis shrimp twice. All seem to be doing very well, with only a small piece of live rock for filtration. Here are the pictures I promised. These were taken yesterday evening (April 29).Will be moving to my display tank today or tomorrow.
