Indonesia Situation
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Certainly if all imports were stopped the industry/hobby as we now know it would not exist. Even if just Fiji and Indonesia stay closed, likely will have the same effect.
Not even close on the fish side. We are lucky if even 20 percent of the fish species have been bred in the hobby, the list is growing fast though. I do not think people realize with collecting closing down in Hawaii we lost around 400,000 yellow tangs. That is just one species too. The full affect has not even been felt yet.
I think the hobby would suffer big time with few fish.. Mainly it is clowns and gobies that are being bred on any scale.
The hobby would survive but the price on most fish other than a handful would be really expensive and I doubt without fish many would want to be in the hobby. It would pretty much mean every angel and tang is gone. A few tangs have been bred but not in any quantity at all and would cost thousands.
Post larval reared fish might fill the gap but as we see with coral they also stopped mariculture so post larval fish would be halted.
Corals would fare better but I do not think people realize how many wild or maricultured corals actually enter the hobby.
The problem is without fish the coral vendors will suffer and most would likely close thier doors because of lack of people in the hobby. Prices would probably not rise too long on corals because demand would drop.
The real problem is if the hobby shrinks who is going to invest in trying to breed new species. The hobby could survive a slower exit but to much at one time hurts.
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Imo's Reef
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in my place, the stores take advantage, and the corals of marineculture, have doubled their price, and are very scarce.
Billldg
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That's my main concern, price gouging on a massive scale.
New Wave Aquaria
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So let me get this straight, you consider it gouging when prices are increased on the remaining available Indo & Fiji corals? Do you not understand that Indonesia & Fijian corals accounted for 90% of the available coral supply in the trade, do think perhaps the price of gas would increase if OPEC pulled its oil supply from the world markets or the price of staple food items would increase if there were a major drought in the Midwest and the yield of grain crops was 90% less than normal?? Luckily corals are not a necessity like the aforementioned examples, so if you don’t like the results of supply and demand not being in your favor, then don’t buy Indo or Fijian corals and don’t throw around terms like price gouging when the price increase is clearly justified.
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Homewrecker
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Stores are literally on a man hunt to find corals and its somehow price gouging...
Lots of places that just flipped freshly imported corals are going out of business quickly and those good stores that grow out their corals for sale should be able to charge enough to sustain themselves and make a profit. I swear, this industry is one of the only ones where people complain when LFS's make some money
Lots of places that just flipped freshly imported corals are going out of business quickly and those good stores that grow out their corals for sale should be able to charge enough to sustain themselves and make a profit. I swear, this industry is one of the only ones where people complain when LFS's make some money
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Not sure where the price gouging issue came from, now we're getting a bit far a field from info about the shut down. The longer the shut down goes on the less likely it seems the possibility of opening up again. If that were the case and someone had stockpiled some Indo colonies then I guess they could charge whatever the market might pay. It's gotten to the point that we start thinking that certain corals just won't be available again.
As far as pricing, in general they will begin to rise as supply becomes more and more difficult to obtain. And, as Aussie becomes the main source prices will be higher overall since corals from there are generally more expensive and more costly to ship.
As far as pricing, in general they will begin to rise as supply becomes more and more difficult to obtain. And, as Aussie becomes the main source prices will be higher overall since corals from there are generally more expensive and more costly to ship.
I have frag vendors saying that Aussie's are stopping the export of acans , scolys and gold torches. I have not seen anything about selective coral ban from Down under as their coral collection is very well regulated. As as Hawaii was but look at what happened there.
To many of the exporters I personally speak to, each are unique to their own, giving me different stories and singing to different tunes on a daily basis.
oddomatic
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Agreed. After reading about this over the past couple of months, I don’t even know what to believe anymore. I am truly concerned that our hobby might be facing a grim future...
Good post and I agree.
I think another problem is how long can they last being closed? The longer it takes the more collectors and exporters go out of business. Fiji will never open again, I believe the eco tourism is the reason.
Also I think the Caribbean is going to close real soon for fish collecting. With all the coral disease and now another round of disease which may be from the dredging in Maimi. Also the red tides killing so much, and the invasive lionfish it will be on the list soon to stop collecting of fish. Mark my words it is coming. If it happens in the next year the hobby would suffer really bad.
oddomatic
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I just want to take a second to thank you guys for taking the time to keep small hobbyists like myself up to date with this thread. We don’t have access to the same sources (exporters) like you do. It’s much appreciated and look forward to more news (hopefully good).
Every single month, we get updates. Some months they meet in Bali, some months they meet in Jakarta. There are months they meet with big time officials from government agencies and ministries, some even with ministers blah blah blah. every month, we seem to be given a little hope, which is what I personally call a temporary fake joy. Then, it comes to a point of time when the date arrives and when we enquire, we are not able to ship anything out as yet.
We are trying to decipher the thoughts of the Minister, and truly wondering what made her place the blanket suspension on the coral export industry.
There are many exporters, some follow rules and many do not follow the rules. Many people know it.
Someone or rather somehow some group of people have triggered the blanket suspension by raising the bars of power...
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