Indonesia Situation
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New meetings, but with minor results. Supposedly the exporters were told the ban would at some point be lifted but no specific date or framework for progress has been made public. Rumors still abound! Some exporters express weak optimism but many are now conceding the situation may be hopeless--understandable dealing with this since May they feel that way. With the continued export bans on corals from Fiji and Indonesia that eliminates approx 90% off the corals that had been in the trade. While certainly hobbyists and facilities such as ours are growing lots of frags, we all still rely on a regular supply of new genetics to enhance our variety and selection. The corals in collections such as ours and serious hobbyist farmers have become much more valuable. Aussie corals will be the norm soon, although they are generally more expensive and there is a limited variety. Won't be surprised if we awaken to a ban from there soon too. Limited and inconsistent quality from Tonga and limited softies from Vietnam are the only other sources other than the very limited Caribbean offerings.
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Having said all that, exports from Indonesia could start tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or never again. No one knows for sure. One thing that is for sure is that governments everywhere are just a group of ego maniacal fools that by definition think they know better. Due to laziness, distraction, or other reasons we all allow the world to be ruled by those idiots. Collection and culture for the marine aquarium trade can be done totally sustainably in those countries, I know because I've been there and done it myself--no need for me to rely upon the government fools that have never even seen what they ban.
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Wow that is very depressing indeed. I know that aquaculture is the ultimate answer and that is encouraging but not if frag prices go up!! My God their expensive enough as it is!
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IMO the ban has been important to force the hobby to completely grow in house all corals. Obviously I would love to get to higher supply and choices, but I noticed lots of local stores investing in grow out tanks and I think this is the way to the future. Now we struggle and importers suffer but long term I really do not see an alternative to this.
Im amazed Australia still allows coral trade, in midst of all heat going on in their reefs and protectionism in the heads of legislation there.
Im amazed Australia still allows coral trade, in midst of all heat going on in their reefs and protectionism in the heads of legislation there.
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We have been in business 18+ years as a licensed coral aquaculture facility. We and many others have known the future is aquaculture for a long time. That being said, I know that some corals must still come from the wild for us with closed indoor recirculating systems to be profitable. At play here is that these governments have banned exports, including cultured corals, with no basis in reality regarding sustainability and the impact on livelihoods worldwide, IMO.
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Great thread Dr. Mac
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Really nice facilities! Love the blue screen type material filtering the light.
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I hope this question is not a dumb one & may have already been answered but with all the people being fired what happens to the corals at these farms, will there always be someone there to keep an eye on them or will they be left to do whatever?
Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask.
Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask.
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Good question, also Several have noticed that Live rock or Ocean rock is all but non-existent, even the Florida aqua-cultured is hard to find, is that due to no raw materials or dead rock?
See you do not understand. Collecting coral has added economic value to the reef. It gives reasons for locals to protect the reef. I just saw a article on it, in Fiji the locals that collected coral and live rock have now switched to taking stuff off the reef that are endangered and not going through regulations. It fuels the black market. These poor countries will do it anyway possible even if it mean dynamiting the reef.
The collecting of coral doesn't hurt the reef if regulated right plus people like Walt Smith was replanting the reefs and he is now gone. He was making allot of dead rock and also aquaculture rock himself and through Tampabay saltwater. Now this all ends. The bans are having a negative affect.
The hobby will hurt without new corals. Just think no new coral makes people loose interest.
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The problem is how do these places survive with no income. The longer it goes on the more that will be out of business.
The problem I see with both bans is stops even aquaculture/Mariculture corals.
Aquacultured rock is not hard to find but Dry Pukani rock is not being collected anymore. This will hurt places like Tampa Bay Saltwater since they use this rock for aquaculture rock and they used Walt smith man made rock which is also no more.
Tampa Bay, Gulfview and KP aquatics are all shipping aqua-cultured rock.
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