IS THERE ANYONE AS STUPID AS ME?

[fachatga]

What a thread here lol. Hard to add much but to ask what kind of bleach you used. There’s enough threads here about people using no splash bleach to clean and everything dies afterwards. Something about that product can’t seem to be washed off and is bad for the tank. So my tiny bit of addition foe this thread is just to make sure you used normal bleach and wish you luck.

 

[Bubba002]

I’ll to translate this:

You cleaned the tank out a few days ago which consisted of 4 rocks and 69lbs of live sand.

The rocks have been soaking in bleach. The sand has been soaking in vinegar and is full of bubbles because the vinegar is dissolving the organic matter in the once live sand.

You now have 4 bleach soaked rocks and 69lbs of vinegar soaked dead sand and want to know how to proceed.

If that is the correct translationhere is how to proceed:

Rinse both the rocks and sand very well with the hose. You want to get all that dead decaying waste out of the sand and want to get as much bleach out of the rocks as possible.

The sand can go back in the tank immediately after rinsing well.

After rinsing the bleached rocks you should give them a good soak in fresh water and then let them completely dry out so the bleach evaporates. Give them a good soaking again just to be safe and then add back to the tank.

Everything is now dead so you will need to start over with a long cycle. I would get a few pieces of live rock and a scoop of live sand from someone to kickstart that cycle.

hope that helps

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[ApoIsland]

This isn't correct. The sand didn't soak in vinegar. The tank was cleaned with vinegar. The sand was rinsed. The tank was rinsed - the sand was put in the tank, water was added. Bubbles formed.

Ahh. Thanks for clarifying. how the sand was rinsed plays a big role in how to restart the tank. I don’t see any indication of that in responses from the OP.

if sand was rinsed with fresh water you might as well have rinsed it with vinegar as there will be a lot of die off in that sand. So original answer stays the same with a fresh water rinse.

If sand was rinsed with salt water it will have some live organisms left to help start the cycling process and no need for live sand or live rock.

The excessive amount of bubbles most likely occurred because the tank was not completely rinsed of the vinegar when sand was put back. Any remaining vinegar will form bubbles as it reacts with the sand regardless of whether it was rinsed with salt water or fresh water.

 

[ApoIsland]

TRANSLATION IS COMPLETELY WRONG…….

Sorry about that. It was my best attempt given the construction of the original post. Maybe you can try to clarify what happened as it seems myself and the vast majority of the readers here would like to help but can’t make sense of the details.

 

[MnFish1]

@Bubbas - really sorry that I got this off to a potential bad start - as I thought you meant you used the bleach and then vinegar. The way you did it is just fine IMHO. The vinegar can merely be rinsed off. if you want to add a little bicarbonate the rinse water one time - all good - it will neutralize any acidity of the remaining vinegar (But it sounds like you did a great job rinsing).

Soaking the bleached rock in water with chlorine neutralizer (maybe a 3-4x dose) - and rinsing will take care of that - as will merely placing it out in the sun for several days (I would tend to use the chlorine neutralizer)

NOW - as to the original question!! - when you filled the tank - did you use tap water - or RODI water. If you used tap water - especially if your water is under high pressure - dissolved Nitrogen (N2) in the water - under pressure - turns into bubbles of nitrogen gas in the tank once its at a normal pressure. Assuming there were no residual chemicals - my GUESS is that that is the cause of the bubbles - and they they are harmless.

Caveat - I would double check that there was ONLY vinegar in your 'cleaning vinegar' and only 'plain, not special or 'scented' bleach. Because if there was a soap 'compound' - that could also cause your bubbles. Hope this all helps - and good luck with your tank!!!!!

EDIT - to answer your last question - you can either add 'live sand' or better yet (IMHO) - bottled bacteria (many here like Fritz products), I have used stability by Seachem as well. Dr. Tims is also popular.

 

[vetteguy53081]

The concern I have is The distilled white vinegar you see in the condiment aisle contains around five percent acetic acid and 95 percent water. Cleaning vinegar contains around six percent acetic acid. That doesn't sound like much of a difference, but cleaning vinegar is 20 percent stronger than white distilled vinegar and if you look at precautions/warnings:
It states . . . . Do not use cleaning vinegar or any type of acid to clean marble, granite, limestone, or any type of stone or stone floor.

With the rock and sand, it raises concern on my behalf.

 

[Bubba002]

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[Bubba002]

Tank was all dead
threw all sand away
put rocks outside in buckets of 50/5O clorox and RODI WATER
FILLED TANK WITH RODI WATER AND VINEGAR, ONE BOTTLE BY ACCIDENT WAS CLEANING VINEGAR
TURNED EMPTY TANK ON.
RINSED tank 3 times with RODI water
added NEW LIVE SAND and 4 rocks that I keep on hand in saltwater to start my coral on.NOT ROCKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN CLOROX BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN RINSED TWICE WITH RODI AND PRESENTLY SOAKING IN BAKING SODA 2# per 15 gal of RODI WATER. And will sit in sun for two more days.
the only water that has been used in this fiasco has been RODI
PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE CALLING ME DOWN AS A IDOT. I am a great grandmother, 75 years old, partially disabled and have handled my tanks by myself for 17 years and to be knocked down by some of you who were In grade school when I started reefing is disheartening and depressing.

 

[MnFish1]

The concern I have is The distilled white vinegar you see in the condiment aisle contains around five percent acetic acid and 95 percent water. Cleaning vinegar contains around six percent acetic acid. That doesn't sound like much of a difference, but cleaning vinegar is 20 percent stronger than white distilled vinegar and if you look at precautions/warnings:
It states . . . . Do not use cleaning vinegar or any type of acid to clean marble, granite, limestone, or any type of stone or stone floor.

With the rock and sand, it raises concern on my behalf.

I think you missed the explanation. The sand and rock were not treated with Vinegar - only bleach and water respectively. But - from a chemistry standpoint, the only difference would be those types of stone floors could be 'damaged' - i.e. stained. Dry rock, etc might have a little surface removed - but it would do no damage to anything. Its like Using Muriatic acid (much stronger) - to clean rock - which can take a certain percentage off of the outside of the rock. It does not damage anything

 

[MnFish1]

I think you missed the explanation. The sand and rock were not treated with Vinegar - only bleach and water respectively. But - from a chemistry standpoint, the only difference would be those types of stone floors could be 'damaged' - i.e. stained. Dry rock, etc might have a little surface removed - but it would do no damage to anything. Its like Using Muriatic acid (much stronger) - to clean rock - which can take a certain percentage off of the outside of the rock. It does not damage anything

Tank was all dead
threw all sand away
put rocks outside in buckets of 50/5O clorox and RODI WATER
FILLED TANK WITH RODI WATER AND VINEGAR, ONE BOTTLE BY ACCIDENT WAS CLEANING VINEGAR
TURNED EMPTY TANK ON.
RINSED tank 3 times with RODI water
added NEW LIVE SAND and 4 rocks that I keep on hand in saltwater to start my coral on.NOT ROCKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN CLOROX BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN RINSED TWICE WITH RODI AND PRESENTLY SOAKING IN BAKING SODA 2# per 15 gal of RODI WATER. And will sit in sun for two more days.
the only water that has been used in this fiasco has been RODI
PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE CALLING ME DOWN AS A IDOT. I am a great grandmother, 75 years old, partially disabled and have handled my tanks by myself for 17 years and to be knocked down by some of you who were In grade school when I started reefing is disheartening and depressing.

Wow - Congrats for doing this this long!! - In any case - I would not be overly concerned with the bubbles - I have seen that just when putting in live sand. How does the tank look now?

EDIT - one way to check fairly easily - whether the vinegar was totally rinsed (with RODI) - out of your tank would be to check the pH. If its 'low' - there may be some residual vinegar. Frankly - its hard to rinse out equipment, etc entirely - with 3 rinses. I think everyone is trying to help - not call you names!! -

 

[snorklr]

i dont see where anyone here called you an idiot...perhaps other than yourself in the title to this thread...and i'm sorry if my attempt to joke about it made you mad...but you have to admit that the way you worded your original post completely mislead 15 people who were attempting to help you out and additional explanations continued to keep them confused for 4 pages....the fact that your rocks were in chlorox and your "sand in the woods" shouldnt have even been part of the question about the vinegar....you said rocks were back in the tank without clarifying that they were NOT the ones soaking in chlorox till much later on...most of us are really terrible mind readers and unfortunately it seems that a lot of people that reply to these threads only read the original post and none of the other replies before giving their opinion

 

[Cherie cook]

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[Cherie cook]

If anything we were laughing with you, not at you!