Fishthoughts
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Hey Guys, looking for some options/Help here if it is ich
Is this ich
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jmichaelh7
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Could be velvet are they breathing heavy? Flashing ?
jmichaelh7
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Either way you need to run medication asap
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do you see how your cycling umps refused to include fish disease preps as literally part of the cycle, that's the cause. These same umpires vote no constantly in quarantine/no quarantine posts and they won't even stop after your issue.
look at the anger, the passion against any sort of disease prep, I'm sorry they're killing your fish collectively as a group.
Cycling umpires killed your fish/coming up
but you can easily save the next round, fallow out this tank.
I wanted you to see the cause of your issue
Cycling the tank
Hey guys!!! what's everyones thoughts on cycling the tank with a few clown fish??
www.reef2reef.com
do you see how your cycling umps refused to include fish disease preps as literally part of the cycle, that's the cause. These same umpires vote no constantly in quarantine/no quarantine posts and they won't even stop after your issue.
look at the anger, the passion against any sort of disease prep, I'm sorry they're killing your fish collectively as a group.
Cycling umpires killed your fish/coming up
but you can easily save the next round, fallow out this tank.
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jmichaelh7
2500 Club Member
76 days fallow no fishFish
I wanted you to see the cause of your issue
Cycling the tank
Hey guys!!! what's everyones thoughts on cycling the tank with a few clown fish??
do you see how your cycling umps refused to include fish disease preps as literally part of the cycle, that's the cause. These same umpires vote no constantly in quarantine/no quarantine posts and they won't even stop after your issue.
Cycling umpires killed your fish/coming up
but you can easily save the next round, fallow out this tank.
45 days at 81 degrees.
Personally based off pics I’d start copper power today , if they survive ramp it up quickly
jmichaelh7
2500 Club Member
Is this a proven method?
I think at this point the parasites are feeding off the bloody fish
Is the OP running UV? If so, what size and rate. This will be helpful to reduce numbers from growing , of course if the UV is at the right size and flow.
There are many articles and debates on this. Right now timing is everything
only use disease options that come from the fish disease forum stickies, which that does not. there is nothing about ginger or garlic in the disease forum, and no zoo uses those.
Lavey29
10K Club member
I've never tested it myself but know of several people who had success. 2 of my LFS recommend it but as you indicate the fish may be past the point of holistic approach and QT is always a preferred option. Depends on if OP only has infected low number of fish in his DT.
Some people say that ich is present in all of our reef tanks just kept dormant by good quality husbandry and water parameters. I don't really believe this theory but how do big fish farms with connected systems stay ich free? They run copper in their systems and maybe just keep it dormant. Does thorough QT mean no ich on your fish? Unfortunately not really in a lot of cases especially with certain species of fish.
there is no possible way to undercut the % fish retention rates going on daily in the fish disease forum with that assessment above
any reading or redirection back to the fish disease forum shows a landslide prevention of these issues applying the preps from the stickies right up top. its to the degree that the only valid way to make comment on the % is to tell someone that their chances of losing fish to various diseases drops substantially by following the clear rules for establishment from the right forum. We wouldn't even speculate about it not working due to the % of times we can see it does work, at a minimum we'd let new cyclers know they're more likely to win vs lose by following the adaptation rules that zoos use vs places that sell things to aquarists.
that type of doubt conveyed to others without any sort of patterning logged is specifically the cause and continuance of fish disease loss in the hobby.
any reading or redirection back to the fish disease forum shows a landslide prevention of these issues applying the preps from the stickies right up top. its to the degree that the only valid way to make comment on the % is to tell someone that their chances of losing fish to various diseases drops substantially by following the clear rules for establishment from the right forum. We wouldn't even speculate about it not working due to the % of times we can see it does work, at a minimum we'd let new cyclers know they're more likely to win vs lose by following the adaptation rules that zoos use vs places that sell things to aquarists.
that type of doubt conveyed to others without any sort of patterning logged is specifically the cause and continuance of fish disease loss in the hobby.
davidcalgary29
2500 Club Member
The only rudeness I've ever encountered on aquarium forums (and not this one, it must be said) was when I've expressed my opinion about quarantining. And you know where I stand on the issue. It's as if this topic has become a proxy for everything controversial that everyone wants to talk about, but can't because reasonable discourse has flown out the window. It would be so much less stressful if posters said "hey, I'm about to quarantine, what do you suggest?" or "I don't believe in quarantine. What's the best alternate methods for keeping my fish healthy?" and everyone moved on from there instead of attacking someone else's opinion.
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Lavey Ill tell you another neat angle on that option above that is my opinion:
nothing stays the same decade after decade in the hobby, we're always evolving. so, if something or a set of actions is going to take the place of fallow and quarantine (and get better % retention, enough to run an entire forum of live time jobs daily while using) then action X should be available to be tested. we can't just down every offer that isn't fallow or quarantine based as that stifles evolution and best practices emerging
meaning there's ways to usher in change for the hobby using non standard practices, and that way is compiling outcomes solely in other people's tanks using any claimed procedure. with those links on file for inspection and pattern, new changes evolve
and without them, Jay wins for the next ten years
the entire fish disease forum is exactly that standard: nothing about Jay's tanks is known in each post, but something that is used solely in other people's tanks to make inspectable patterns is the action recommended, the mode is perfection, the outcome is imperfect as agreed we do see fails in fallow and quarantine but not so much as to invalidate the daily saves we can read about using them.
This allows all manner of non quarantine crowd to edge in better procedures, they're passionate about those options for sure.
*where things go wrong is that all non qt advocates are always just discussing their own tank, they have zero work logs using other's tanks and don't extend out to produce any. we need them to be doing that last year
when someone gets told a 'no' vote on quarantining, its because that umpire is honestly reflecting on his or her tank. disease didn't express for them, so why vote 'yes'
but this changes if we move out of our own tanks and into the stinging live time feedback from others work threads, its truly really hard to constantly be working in other's tanks and getting good outcomes while using bad science. Jay's and Humblefish's science is so good zoos use it, and these forums run for 5, 7 years on end using the science and its largely unchanging because its that solid, already.
nothing stays the same decade after decade in the hobby, we're always evolving. so, if something or a set of actions is going to take the place of fallow and quarantine (and get better % retention, enough to run an entire forum of live time jobs daily while using) then action X should be available to be tested. we can't just down every offer that isn't fallow or quarantine based as that stifles evolution and best practices emerging
meaning there's ways to usher in change for the hobby using non standard practices, and that way is compiling outcomes solely in other people's tanks using any claimed procedure. with those links on file for inspection and pattern, new changes evolve
and without them, Jay wins for the next ten years
the entire fish disease forum is exactly that standard: nothing about Jay's tanks is known in each post, but something that is used solely in other people's tanks to make inspectable patterns is the action recommended, the mode is perfection, the outcome is imperfect as agreed we do see fails in fallow and quarantine but not so much as to invalidate the daily saves we can read about using them.
This allows all manner of non quarantine crowd to edge in better procedures, they're passionate about those options for sure.
*where things go wrong is that all non qt advocates are always just discussing their own tank, they have zero work logs using other's tanks and don't extend out to produce any. we need them to be doing that last year
when someone gets told a 'no' vote on quarantining, its because that umpire is honestly reflecting on his or her tank. disease didn't express for them, so why vote 'yes'
but this changes if we move out of our own tanks and into the stinging live time feedback from others work threads, its truly really hard to constantly be working in other's tanks and getting good outcomes while using bad science. Jay's and Humblefish's science is so good zoos use it, and these forums run for 5, 7 years on end using the science and its largely unchanging because its that solid, already.
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jmichaelh7
2500 Club Member
I think if you run qt properly you’ll eradicate ich
most of us break that cycle by adding corals or inverts without quarantine protocol 76 days.
Back to the op. What are you plans?
Looks like it could be ich. Could also be velvet or brooklynella (clowns are famous for that).
Ich or velvet is best treated with copper in a hospital tank. Brook is treated with formaldehyde/formalin in HT.
Ich or velvet is best treated with copper in a hospital tank. Brook is treated with formaldehyde/formalin in HT.
Fishthoughts
Community Member
Fish
I wanted you to see the cause of your issue
Cycling the tank
Hey guys!!! what's everyones thoughts on cycling the tank with a few clown fish??
do you see how your cycling umps refused to include fish disease preps as literally part of the cycle, that's the cause. These same umpires vote no constantly in quarantine/no quarantine posts and they won't even stop after your issue.
here are their vote logs
go to the vote counts and click on 'no' and it opens up who votes for never discussing disease preps or advocating anything along the lines
Q for everyone are you FOR or AGAINST QT
But...but...but....want instareef now!!!!! I am well aware of the waiting game, been in fishkeeping since I was about 8 years old or so. But like some other nonquarantiners said, your tank needs to be stable. Well ****, guess we murder fish in the meantime until they can last more than a...
look at the anger, the passion against any sort of disease prep, I'm sorry they're killing your fish collectively as a group.
Cycling umpires killed your fish/coming up
but you can easily save the next round, fallow out this tank.
I would like to state as I see all the comments thatHey Guys, looking for some options/Help here if it is ich
A) we didnt cycle our tank with the fish, decided not to do that as we have had these clowns for while and didn't want to risk anything in a new fresh tank.
B) this is new, they've had it max for 2 days ( today being the second day )
we are looking at copper to add to the entire tank as a QT tank as there's nothing else but fish and live rock are in this tank as like I've stated is a new tank
I appreciate all the feedback/suggestions and we are taking it all in account as to what's going on!!
davidcalgary29
2500 Club Member
If you add copper to your display it will likely leach out of your substrate and live rock and kill any and all inverts (that's CUC, as well as coral) that you might have. Some diligent folk have more-or-less managed to remove copper (after a lot of effort) with fixatives like cuprisorb, but it's a heck of a hassle.we are looking at copper to add to the entire tank as a QT tank as there's nothing else but fish and live rock are in this tank as like I've stated is a new tank
I appreciate all the feedback/suggestions and we are taking it all in account as to what's going on!!
It would be much easier just to treat the fish in a storage tote with a HOB filter, heater, and powerhead.
jmichaelh7
2500 Club Member
The live rock will cause problems. You may not get accurate copper readings . Remove liverock and substrate if you go this routeI would like to state as I see all the comments that
A) we didnt cycle our tank with the fish, decided not to do that as we have had these clowns for while and didn't want to risk anything in a new fresh tank.
B) this is new, they've had it max for 2 days ( today being the second day )
we are looking at copper to add to the entire tank as a QT tank as there's nothing else but fish and live rock are in this tank as like I've stated is a new tank
I appreciate all the feedback/suggestions and we are taking it all in account as to what's going on!!
