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I saw this post on Facebook and if it’s real it’s making me really mad. But the person has been in the group for over a year and says the tank is 4 months old so I wonder if it’s fake. They aren’t posting any of their parameters…and the fish store just keeps selling them ones.
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Who has money for five hippos to replace?! Also, holy skeletons! I wouldn't say it's blunt at all. I would wonder about my parameters after my first death. Saying they're "perfect" and not disclosing their parameters is something that deserves a call out.
 
I saw this post on Facebook and if it’s real it’s making me really mad. But the person has been in the group for over a year and says the tank is 4 months old so I wonder if it’s fake. They aren’t posting any of their parameters…and the fish store just keeps selling them ones.
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I’ve posted the exact question why it’s acceptable behaviour to repeat buying new fish after they die but it’s not acceptable for a dog or cat .
The answer should be there is no difference .
insanity is to continue the same action expecting different outcomes
 
I’ve posted the exact question why it’s acceptable behaviour to repeat buying new fish after they die but it’s not acceptable for a dog or cat .
The answer should be there is no difference .
insanity is to continue the same action expecting different outcomes

Although I agree we should do our best to keep happy and healthy fish I think it’s important to point out that cats/dogs are not a direct comparison to fish lol. I mean obviously this person killing 5 different hippos is bad and all but doing that to 5 dogs could land you in jail lol.
 
Although I agree we should do our best to keep happy and healthy fish I think it’s important to point out that cats/dogs are not a direct comparison to fish lol. I mean obviously this person killing 5 different hippos is bad and all but doing that to 5 dogs could land you in jail lol.
True but it’s an analogy lol.
 
Who has money for five hippos to replace?! Also, holy skeletons! I wouldn't say it's blunt at all. I would wonder about my parameters after my first death. Saying they're "perfect" and not disclosing their parameters is something that deserves a call out.
I know right or the fish store is losing a lot of money lol.
 
First thing I see or lack there of is algae; Coraline, GHA, none maybe light dinos. Anyway that rock looks new, has some purple Marco rock to give color. Last thing is that tank looks way bigger than an 80g and he is running two bio wheels and two powerheads. I don't believe it is his tank, if that coral is real should have no problem keeping tang
 
True but it’s an analogy lol.

Lol that one person said there is no difference between killing cats/dogs versus fish! I’m an avid angler and obviously keep fish to eat. Could you imagine if I was out catching dogs, filleting them, and eating them! Definitely not the same thing lol!
 
I’ve posted the exact question why it’s acceptable behaviour to repeat buying new fish after they die but it’s not acceptable for a dog or cat .
The answer should be there is no difference .
insanity is to continue the same action expecting different outcomes

I know right or the fish store is losing a lot of money lol.
Fish store is probably making money. Most offer no refund on saltwater fish. Cyanide catching is still common. These fish live around 40 days before the liver rots.

We butcher fish to eat. Most people don't eat dogs or cats. Maybe most?

Catfish for example are caught, gutted and skinned alive. A caring human will bash the catfish on the head, or cut the spine to sever nerves.

We as keepers of fish value our pets differently from the food industry.

Tangs are widely eaten in the tropics. Just saying.
 
Although I agree we should do our best to keep happy and healthy fish I think it’s important to point out that cats/dogs are not a direct comparison to fish lol. I mean obviously this person killing 5 different hippos is bad and all but doing that to 5 dogs could land you in jail lol.
The point of the comparison is to point out that what ever you are doing or not doing to end with the same result is clearly not working . Would someone have the same just replace it mentality if it were not just fish ?
and think now why this hobby is becoming harder and harder to enjoy the same Animals ?

how is lack of care acceptable ?
What’s the next step larger activists and organizations will take to make it next to impossible for others to enjoy such a rewarding hobby ?
 
I'm curious on the replies to this on the FB group your part of. It ain't sterile like R2R and it can get nasty quick, like brutal, doxxing type of nasty. I'd always consider, then consider again and again before bothering with a reply on that medium. I buy and sell on various groups, but I emphasize, I avoid discussions like the plague on FB.
 
Fish store is probably making money. Most offer no refund on saltwater fish. Cyanide catching is still common. These fish live around 40 days before the liver rots.

We butcher fish to eat. Most people don't eat dogs or cats. Maybe most?

Catfish for example are caught, gutted and skinned alive. A caring human will bash the catfish on the head, or cut the spine to sever nerves.

We as keepers of fish value our pets differently from the food industry.

Tangs are widely eaten in the tropics. Just saying.
Back to the dog eating …….
I remember having this conversation on here .
A guy I used to work with travelled to china for a few jobs . Not so sure how true it is but chicken feet and dogs were the most common meats in most restaurants .

I see your point about not comparing one with the other . I was using a quote repeated in I believe it was some activists or organizatuonspeeches regarding reefing hobby .
they used the same comparison why it’s acceptable to replace fish after fish after each dies .
I understood it as they were blaming the new reefers for the reefs being over fished and over collected for years but they need to point the finger at someone .
they were specifically targeting the reefing hobby
To add to the point I was trying to make . I believe instead of a lfs being all for money . They could educate people with little
Knowledge how to properly care for the animals they sell , along with acceptable water chemistry
Someone walking in asking about buying any fish if the lfs was more about the care of the animals and not the money they would . That’s all
 
Back to the dog eating …….
I remember having this conversation on here .
A guy I used to work with travelled to china for a few jobs . Not so sure how true it is but chicken feet and dogs were the most common meats in most restaurants .

I see your point about not comparing one with the other . I was using a quote repeated in I believe it was some activists or organizatuonspeeches regarding reefing hobby .
they used the same comparison why it’s acceptable to replace fish after fish after each dies .
I understood it as they were blaming the new reefers for the reefs being over fished and over collected for years but they need to point the finger at someone .
they were specifically targeting the reefing hobby
To add to the point I was trying to make . I believe instead of a lfs being all for money . They could educate people with little
Knowledge how to properly care for the animals they sell , along with acceptable water chemistry
Someone walking in asking about buying any fish if the lfs was more about the care of the animals and not the money they would . That’s all
Not to derail the thread too badly here, but having lived in the Philippines, chicken feet are common roadside stand food items, and dog - while illegal (due to health concerns from diseased meat more than from moral dilemmas as I understand it) - was somewhat readily available. I actually had someone offer to take me and my roommate to try it once, and trust me when I say we were not sketchy people and we didn’t hang out/associate with sketchy people either (nor did we accept the offer to eat dog meat, in case anyone was wondering).

While it may seem cruel, gross, inhumane, etc. to those of us from different countries/backgrounds, dogs and cats are in fact food items in some places (and in a few of those places at least, the street dog packs or cats turning into food may be viewed in a rather positive light by some people - the street dogs in the Philippines where I was at were terrified if you were walking, but would actively try to maul you on a bike).

It reminds me of a few of the Christians (this is important culturally, as Hindus don’t eat beef but other religions do, and Muslims ran the beef shop where I lived) I met while living in India who were disgusted at the thought of eating beef. Gross to them, but fine to me.

Long story short, an animal’s an animal no matter how cute or cuddly or domesticated, and one person’s pet is another person’s dinner (whether we agree with it or not).

For clarification here, all animals should be treated with respect and be well cared for (including the ones we eat) - killing five of any animal like the blue hippo tangs mentioned above through sheer ignorance or whatever (especially to not make good use of the animal for food, clothing, etc.) is reprehensible and sad.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if the person is dealing with marine velvet or other parasites. Blue tangs are commonly called “ich magnets”.

The tank appears to be already cycled, and fish can tolerate a much wider spectrum of parameters compared to corals. I can bet that tank is already cycled.
 
Literally all the coral seems artificial and tank extremely clean suggesting quite new. Sadly is a pet store will sell you anything, rarely with questions asked and we dont know if this person is insisting to the LFS that all parameters are good.
At my LFS, a water sample is/was requested before selling another fish to that person.
 
First thing I see or lack there of is algae; Coraline, GHA, none maybe light dinos. Anyway that rock looks new, has some purple Marco rock to give color. Last thing is that tank looks way bigger than an 80g and he is running two bio wheels and two powerheads. I don't believe it is his tank, if that coral is real should have no problem keeping tang
What coral? It is all resin decorations in the pic
 
I also would like to point out that I personally do not put too much blame on a store in a situation like this. The tank owner is definitely the guilty party. First off it is possible that they have been helped by different workers each time, secondly the store is in the business to make a living. Now of course if a store suspects animal cruelty or something crazy like that then they should refuse a sale but in the end they need to put food on the table and pay a mortgage.
 
First thing I see or lack there of is algae; Coraline, GHA, none maybe light dinos. Anyway that rock looks new, has some purple Marco rock to give color. Last thing is that tank looks way bigger than an 80g and he is running two bio wheels and two powerheads. I don't believe it is his tank, if that coral is real should have no problem keeping tang
I think that could be an 80g tanks can look bigger than they are at certain angles. However the 2 biowheels makes me think this is some sort of parody of poor fish husbandry. That to me read like a joke.
 
I think that could be an 80g tanks can look bigger than they are at certain angles. However the 2 biowheels makes me think this is some sort of parody of poor fish husbandry. That to me read like a joke.
I questioned that too. I hope it’s a joke.
 

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