Is this too blunt or mean?

[Biglew11]

I've purchased quite a few fish without th ed shop asking any questions. Once they heard I had a 75 Even had one offer to sell a fish that wasn't quite right for a even a 75. I did know what I was buying when purchasing, and if I saw one I liked that I was unsure of I looked it up.

We all have a responsibility to know what we are getting into when purchasing our pets. And i do think the lfs should ask some questions to make sure we know what we are doing.

 

[Slocke]

Long story short, an animal’s an animal no matter how cute or cuddly or domesticated, and one person’s pet is another person’s dinner (whether we agree with it or not).

Second this, at the end of the day protein is protein and we all need some to survive and dog can be quite a sustainable protein found around human populations.

But even in communities where dogs are eaten, many dogs are still kept as pets and loved and Dhingo now lives happily with me in the states.

Sorry for further derailment...

 

[Goaway]

While it may seem cruel, gross, inhumane, etc. to those of us from different countries/backgrounds, dogs and cats are in fact food items in some places

My mother being Asian, I've learned to not ask and walk away. She never ate dog or cat... But, pickled fish/crabs
I never could adapt.

My 5yr old self questionedeverything. Kids do that. I grew up, was taught by my parents and understand, every culture has it's own reasons for what they eat.

Sorry for further derailment

The poster of the 5 dead tangs, isn't in this thread, so.... dead end.

I enjoy my hobbies, I do what I can. I've suffered losses. And if we compare fish to dogs and cats, I never could get my fish real vet treatment.

 

[Sump Crab]

Second this, at the end of the day protein is protein and we all need some to survive and dog can be quite a sustainable protein found around human populations.

But even in communities where dogs are eaten, many dogs are still kept as pets and loved and Dhingo now lives happily with me in the states.

Sorry for further derailment...

And there are cannibals in Papau New Guinea… I’m sorry but I’ll never equate a fishes life to that of a dogs.

 

[CoralB]

Literally all the coral seems artificial and tank extremely clean suggesting quite new. Sadly is a pet store will sell you anything, rarely with questions asked and we dont know if this person is insisting to the LFS that all parameters are good.
At my LFS, a water sample is/was requested before selling another fish to that person.

We’re assuming it’s filled with saltwater ???

 

[Goaway]

And there are cannibals in Papau New Guinea…

Oh dang... Didn't know that one.

 

[62518161]

Literally all the coral seems artificial and tank extremely clean suggesting quite new. Sadly is a pet store will sell you anything, rarely with questions asked and we dont know if this person is insisting to the LFS that all parameters are good.
At my LFS, a water sample is/was requested before selling another fish to that person.

Seems a little extreme.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Seems a little extreme.

Extreme?
At least 80% of the time the water was indeed in need of water change or other maintenance
Additionally, I placed a 7 day warranty on fish and indeed wanted to test water before replacing fish repeatedly

 

[TheSheff]

I saw this post on Facebook and if it’s real it’s making me really mad. But the person has been in the group for over a year and says the tank is 4 months old so I wonder if it’s fake. They aren’t posting any of their parameters…and the fish store just keeps selling them ones.

some people are just oblivious when it comes to reefing lol. Also I don't agree that you always have to acclimate fish, if the parameters are good, they'll be fine. I've never acclimated any fish and have never had issues.

 

[AydenLincoln]

Obviously eating meat is a personal decision but eating dogs is shamed upon at least in many parts of the world…and it is horrifying to see what really happens in the meat industry especially with dogs and livestock. I try not to think about it though. The argument of eating fish/meat definitely has to do with the complexity of an animal too. Mammals and fish are very different…and the difference is a pet vs it being for food. PETA may say otherwise but they are also an interesting group of people who believe a fish and another mammal is of equal complexity when they really aren’t from a biological/complexity basis. Myself comparing them was an analogy of that person continuing to kill their pet and replacing them…pets shouldn’t be thought of as disposable. Most of us love our tanks/inhabitants like our dogs and cats not everyone sees it that way but many of us do. That being said you technically don’t need to eat meat/fish to survive….but as a society as a whole not going to stop it’s an essential part of society and has been for thousands of years. But treat a pet like a pet and food like food.

 

[AydenLincoln]

I'm curious on the replies to this on the FB group your part of. It ain't sterile like R2R and it can get nasty quick, like brutal, doxxing type of nasty. I'd always consider, then consider again and again before bothering with a reply on that medium. I buy and sell on various groups, but I emphasize, I avoid discussions like the plague on FB.

Oh I do go well I try to Facebook is a lot of drama and he said she said situations. While the comments aren’t terrible it just made me really mad.

 

[AydenLincoln]

some people are just oblivious when it comes to reefing lol. Also I don't agree that you always have to acclimate fish, if the parameters are good, they'll be fine. I've never acclimated any fish and have never had issues.

It depends on the fish or other animal obviously it’s best to acclimate them even floating the bag is better then just dumping them in. It has to do with various factors and is especially important with sensitive fish/inverts and if parameters like salinity are much different. Not acclimating a clownfish is different than a tang or a sensitive invert like a starfish.

 

[mcdrichj]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the person is dealing with marine velvet or other parasites. Blue tangs are commonly called “ich magnets”.

The tank appears to be already cycled, and fish can tolerate a much wider spectrum of parameters compared to corals. I can bet that tank is already cycled.

This was also my thoughts. It seems like there is no effort to qt anything just drop it in the tank especially if they are getting it from like a petco or something.

 

[62518161]

Extreme?
At least 80% of the time the water was indeed in need of water change or other maintenance
Additionally, I placed a 7 day warranty on fish and indeed wanted to test water before replacing fish repeatedly

Extreme?
At least 80% of the time the water was indeed in need of water change or other maintenance
Additionally, I placed a 7 day warranty on fish and indeed wanted to test water before replacing fish repeatedly

Though you were talking about first fish purchase. Agree when replacing.

 

[Sump Crab]

This was also my thoughts. It seems like there is no effort to qt anything just drop it in the tank especially if they are getting it from like a petco or something.

Fish are much more resilient than most people seem to believe. I always just open the bag, scoop out the fish, and place in the tank. A lot of the time floating fish in a bag for 45 minutes or stringent qt just does more to stress the fish than anything else.

With that being said one must have good water and a healthy tank to do this.

 

[Goaway]

Obviously eating meat is a personal decision but eating dogs is shamed upon at least in many parts of the world…and it is horrifying to see what really happens in the meat industry especially with dogs and livestock. I try not to think about it though. The argument of eating fish/meat definitely has to do with the complexity of an animal too. Mammals and fish are very different…and the difference is a pet vs it being for food. PETA may say otherwise but they are also an interesting group of people who believe a fish and another mammal is of equal complexity when they really aren’t from a biological/complexity basis. Myself comparing them was an analogy of that person continuing to kill their pet and replacing them…pets shouldn’t be thought of as disposable. Most of us love our tanks/inhabitants like our dogs and cats not everyone sees it that way but many of us do. That being said you technically don’t need to eat meat/fish to survive….but as a society as a whole not going to stop it’s an essential part of society and has been for thousands of years. But treat a pet like a pet and food like food.

As I stated before in my first post here, "We as keepers of fish value our pets differently than the food industry." It's our responsibility when we bring them home. Some people do not care. Not about their dog, cat, family, fish, or even themselves. Some will do anything for them.

Comparing a dog to fish has gotten out of hand.

If a fish gets injured, we ask for advice on forms of treatment. A lot of the times these fish die while we hope they recover. No vet involved here.
IF our dog or cat gets hit by a car, ends up with broken bones. You go online asking for advice, "take it to the vet." But, if said person does not do this and is found to let the animal suffer to death.... You know the hell that will fall on their door step?
People are going to eat what is available. Durian included. I will not tell them what is right or wrong. I love chicken and beef and I'm furious when I am told, "it's bad!" For whatever reason they choose to add.
I have no ability to ask the person what they were thinking. I don't think you were being harsh... He's on FB after all.

With all that said, to each their own.

 

[Mackey]

The problem with the post, being as blunt as it is. is there no way that guy is listening to it. If the poster really wanted to help the fish, instead of venting at an internet rando, would be to approach in a calm collected manner, "5 fish is a lot to lose, I'm sorry for your loss. It could be that your water isn't ready for fish, what I'll need you to do is get this kit and....... yada yada yada".
This is the exact problem I find with vegans, they'll come to you and be like "You're a bad person, meat is murder!!!!!" when if they really wanted to change my mind should be saying "I know meat is good, but if you look at a meat packing plants and the environmental impact, this is really not sustainable.".

Like I said before this is just righteous venting, which, as good as it feels, is about as helpful to the fish as saying "You're a bad person."

 

[mijan]

The problem here is being on Facebook to begin with. For your own peace of mind you should stay off that toxic platform.

 

[AydenLincoln]

The problem here is being on Facebook to begin with. For your own peace of mind you should stay off that toxic platform.

Oh I try to lol well I try not to argue. I know it’s all drama and he said she said but this made me mad.

 

[mcdrichj]

Fish are much more resilient than most people seem to believe. I always just open the bag, scoop out the fish, and place in the tank. A lot of the time floating fish in a bag for 45 minutes or stringent qt just does more to stress the fish than anything else.

With that being said one must have good water and a healthy tank to do this.

True but if they got a parasite in the tank and the fish is stressed out it would definitely be more susceptible. The tank doesnt seem mature. Also from my experience when someone is having a problem and they say their parameters are "good great or fine" and doesnt list them it is usually some part of the issue. I usualy match salinity check ph float the bag and scoop the fish. This is one thing that I like to do quickly in this hobby. However, I do qt my fish but havent lost any in my qt process.