Large Aquarium Build Advice Needed

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Buy used... for anything not critical to be new.

Avoid buying 'the next big thing' as that will crush your budget.

Enjoy taking your time on the build. The build is fun, don't rush it just to get to the "end goal".
 
I would research the MarinePure blocks.
I had reduced heavy metals after removing them according to my ICP tests. There are several threads on this subject here on R2R.

I have seen those and am on the fence about it. I would like to have additional surface area for filtration and had considered "cooking" them prior to putting them in the tank to avoid Al contamination.
 
Very good points. I guess my thinking is they are probably $100 or so in a 20K build and they might be useful while I get things tuned. In my old SPS tank I ended up with water on the floor a few times while getting things just right. With the larger volume now I think I will probably do the same and would like to limit that as much as possible.

For me I just prefer to plan my plumbing properly at the onset and not have to worry about it. Check valves are great, up till the point they fail and they will fail eventually even with the best of maintenance schedules.

And I guess I should have made myself more clear and I misunderstood your use of them talking about the gate valves. If you have a DC pump there really is no need for them atall on a return line. When you look at these larger builds, heck even smaller ones, plumbing costs are something that I think few people realize can get out of control, real fast. Especially when you want nice schedule 80 valves and colored PVC, which most people do when building that "Dream tank". If you can shave a couple hundred dollars off that cost, that's something that can be put to better use elsewhere, heck it could almost pay for that pump to run your manifold.

Absolutely use them on a manifold and as @K7BMG mentioned above, best to run a manifold off its own pump for a whole bunch of reasons.
 
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Well played sir.

Not for Triton.
Each manifold valve will reduce overall tank turnover.
My current system is 230G. X 10 is a whopping 2300gph turn over required.
So with head pressure reducing flow and flow loss due to each fitting like 90s and such, you will be hard pressed to meet the Triton requirement.
Adding additional valves will reduce the turnover even more
 
Go to google and type in

Recirculating Skimmers Explained

There you will find Write up Wednesday by Mr saltwater.com.
Will lead you to a better e planation than I can give you.
Also the BRS videos have a skimmer series. They also will cover it better than I.
 
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So you see the large attached pump? In this recirculating skimmer, it’s only function is to make air bubbles. If you set the skimmer in your sump filled with 10 inches of water and turned it on, theoretically nothing would happen because you would have an empty skimmer chamber filled with nothing but air. But if you see in the circle the little intake fitting, that’s where water would come into the main chamber through a hose… Either water from a manifold off your return pump’s line, or water from a wholly separate (i.e. dedicated) pump sitting somewhere in your water-filed sump.
 
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All in all you will have more control with a recirculating skimmer.
They can be fine tuned with less effort, and xo not require fixed sump levels.
I have never had nor was I even close to an overflow with my recirculating skimmer. When I had one dependant on sump water levels I had more overflows than I care to admit. Just PITA and never going back.
 
Go to google and type in

Recirculating Skimmers Explained

There you will find Write up Wednesday by Mr saltwater.com.
Will lead you to a better e planation than I can give you.
Also the BRS videos have a skimmer series. They also will cover it better than I.

Thanks for this. After reading and watching the BRS video I now get it. For those following along here are the links to the article and videos:

http://www.mrsaltwatertank.com/write-up-wednesday-the-recirculating-protein-skimmer/
 
Based on the advice in this thread I think I am going to select the MRC MR-2R Skimmer as it looks to meet the tank requirements and is small enough to fit in the sump. Also I removed the gate valves on the return pumps and also the check valves as well. Will save around $100 and as others have pointed out if the tank is properly plumbed they will prove unnecessary. I do not think I am going to try to manifold the return pumps as I would rather drive other reactors, etc off individual pumps in the sump to try to retain as high a tank turnover as the overflow and returns will allow. Happy to be corrected or hear other view on that.

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Based on the advice in this thread I think I am going to select the MRC MR-2R Skimmer as it looks to meet the tank requirements and is small enough to fit in the sump. Also I removed the gate valves on the return pumps and also the check valves as well. Will save around $100 and as others have pointed out if the tank is properly plumbed they will prove unnecessary. I do not think I am going to try to manifold the return pumps as I would rather drive other reactors, etc off individual pumps in the sump to try to retain as high a tank turnover as the overflow and returns will allow. Happy to be corrected or hear other view on that.

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What program are you using for the 3d CAD?
 
What program are you using for the 3d CAD?

Autodesk Fusion 360. I coach a youth robotics team and we use it for robot design. It's a really nice product. Not easy to learn at least for me, but once you figure it out it is pretty nice.
 
Based on the advice in this thread I think I am going to select the MRC MR-2R Skimmer as it looks to meet the tank requirements and is small enough to fit in the sump. Also I removed the gate valves on the return pumps and also the check valves as well. Will save around $100 and as others have pointed out if the tank is properly plumbed they will prove unnecessary. I do not think I am going to try to manifold the return pumps as I would rather drive other reactors, etc off individual pumps in the sump to try to retain as high a tank turnover as the overflow and returns will allow. Happy to be corrected or hear other view on that.

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Ok so now I am going to be controversial.
My rule of thumb. Is better to have and not need than to need and not have.

Check valves yes are a flip of the coin. If your returns are so deep in the tank they will siphon enough to water out to overflow the sump well thats the only consideration to have them. What is plumbed right? You wont know until test time.

As far as the gate valves on every line. Well yes you can be selective.
But this is where I am a fan of having them. Never know what adjustments may be needed. You maybwant to ballance the drain lines to control noise.
You may have to only use one drain line and have to slow it down but wont be able to if its not there. I know this is doubtfull but on occasion it does.
What if the in tank overflow box leaks or cracks at the bottom. Be nice to shut the drains off.
Yes its an expense and all but its also a failsafe.
On my next build I intend on having a ball valve followed with a gate valve.
The gate valves are best for tuning, the ball valves are best for a 1/4 turn and its closed off in a second. Less water on the floor.
 
Autodesk Fusion 360. I coach a youth robotics team and we use it for robot design. It's a really nice product. Not easy to learn at least for me, but once you figure it out it is pretty nice.
Good deal! I have been working with Autocad for 20 years. I know Fusion360 has a free personal license for 1 yr. Are the models for parts something you created or downloaded?
 
Good deal! I have been working with Autocad for 20 years. I know Fusion360 has a free personal license for 1 yr. Are the models for parts something you created or downloaded?

Other than a few pipe fittings, the rest of the models are ones I created based on dimensions for the manufacturer's websites. The should at least be fairly close approximations to the real thing. At least good enough to build an assembly model for fitment. Happy to share any of the models I have created if anyone finds them useful.
 
Autocad is awesome.
Had Autocad Light for several years.
Went to a training class, got through it but was admittedly overwhelmed.
Have not used it now for some 3 years now and would not remember how to draw a line now lol.
 

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