Marine Pure blocks Aluminum

Liverock have more porosity and overall surface area internally and externally than all man made bricks or fake rock, specifically the ones from Fiji.

Check out the video below: comparisons of different type of natural live rock vs manmade fakerock vs bricks in terms of porosity, external and internal surface area. Fiji liverock topped them all. Do a quick click 10 minutes into the video to fast forward to the data.

You can tell that they were pretty honest with no biased commercialized agenda, because they actually only sell fake rock, not the natural live rock that won out in the comparison.



I wonder how live rock from the marshall islands would have compared. I bet it could be more porous than fiji. I cut one large piece in half for aquascaping and the amount of interconnected cells within the rock made it look like a solidified sponge with millions of microcells, deep into the live rock. At least I think it was marshall island rock.

It made sense, as natural live rock like this are made up of hundreds, if not thousands of years of dead coral skeletons in layers. There is a reason why the term "liverock" was coined when the reefing hobby started. Real live rock wasn't really rock at all, in the traditional sense. It was the beauty of ancient coral skeletons that allowed a myriad of organisms to live on top and within these ancient structures, as well.

I chopped a large 50lbs+ manmade "marco fake" rock in half and it was mostly solid with some isolated "bubbles" and a giant hole in the middle with uncured powder. It sprayed all over my face when I cut it open. There is no permeability into the isolated air pockets, nor in the giant hole in the middle of the rock filled with uncured "powder" .

Fake man-made live rock like that are for looks only (complete with purple painted fake coralline!) with just the basics of aerobic nitrite to nitrate conversion on the surface, with absolutely no capacity to finish the nitrogen cycle via anaerobic denitrification like natural live rock can.

You just can't beat mother nature. I purchased uncured rocks from fiji, vanatu, pukani, tonga, and marshall islands, coinciding with the theme of biodiversity of reekeeping. I still have those rocks 20 years later that have lasted longer than all my equipment and tank upgrades. Sadly, they have eroded alot and I think lost roughly 20% of their original size. Those manmade bricks you throw in the sump completely erode in just a few years. Fake marco manmade rock probably lasts the longest out of natural live rock or bricks, but do nothing to complete the nitrogen cycle.

I really dont understand the fake purple paint on fake rock. Why don't people just be patient and let natural coralline algae grow in time? At the risk of being judgemental, I think people who love the purple paint don't understand the real discipline in our hobby: PATIENCE . Natural, aged coralline comes in a myriad of hues in purples, reds and pinks. Its not just 1 tone of purple paint. It looks so fake!

You can still find natural live rock in bins of some LFS's when people tear down their tanks and give them away. Dry em and cook em and they are good to go. I'd rather have good ole natural fiji liverock over fake liverock or those nitrogen bricks any day.

Sorry for the thread hijacking attempt. I'm the notorious thread hijacker on reef2reef. :p
Marco isn't really man made. It's mined rock from old reefs that are no longer under water. Life rock, Walt Smith, etc... Is man made. You can no longer get real live rock unless you can find someone selling some that's 10+ years old and how you would Id it is beyond me.
 
Keep in mind that icp doesn't tell you what form the aluminum was in. It is possible that is was completely inert. Aluminum can also come from dosing impurities, salt, aluminum oxide based phosphate removers, etc.
 
Liverock have more porosity and overall surface area internally and externally than all man made bricks or fake rock, specifically the ones from Fiji.

Check out the video below: comparisons of different type of natural live rock vs manmade fakerock vs bricks in terms of porosity, external and internal surface area. Fiji liverock topped them all. Do a quick click 10 minutes into the video to fast forward to the data.

You can tell that they were pretty honest with no biased commercialized agenda, because they actually only sell fake rock, not the natural live rock that won out in the comparison.



I wonder how live rock from the marshall islands would have compared. I bet it could be more porous than fiji. I cut one large piece in half for aquascaping and the amount of interconnected cells within the rock made it look like a solidified sponge with millions of microcells, deep into the live rock. At least I think it was marshall island rock.

It made sense, as natural live rock like this are made up of hundreds, if not thousands of years of dead coral skeletons in layers. There is a reason why the term "liverock" was coined when the reefing hobby started. Real live rock wasn't really rock at all, in the traditional sense. It was the beauty of ancient coral skeletons that allowed a myriad of organisms to live on top and within these ancient structures, as well.

I chopped a large 50lbs+ manmade "marco fake" rock in half and it was mostly solid with some isolated "bubbles" and a giant hole in the middle with uncured powder. It sprayed all over my face when I cut it open. There is no permeability into the isolated air pockets, nor in the giant hole in the middle of the rock filled with uncured "powder" .

Fake man-made live rock like that are for looks only (complete with purple painted fake coralline!) with just the basics of aerobic nitrite to nitrate conversion on the surface, with absolutely no capacity to finish the nitrogen cycle via anaerobic denitrification like natural live rock can.

You just can't beat mother nature. I purchased uncured rocks from fiji, vanatu, pukani, tonga, and marshall islands, coinciding with the theme of biodiversity of reekeeping. I still have those rocks 20 years later that have lasted longer than all my equipment and tank upgrades. Sadly, they have eroded alot and I think lost roughly 20% of their original size. Those manmade bricks you throw in the sump completely erode in just a few years. Fake marco manmade rock probably lasts the longest out of natural live rock or bricks, but do nothing to complete the nitrogen cycle.

I really dont understand the fake purple paint on fake rock. Why don't people just be patient and let natural coralline algae grow in time? At the risk of being judgemental, I think people who love the purple paint don't understand the real discipline in our hobby: PATIENCE . Natural, aged coralline comes in a myriad of hues in purples, reds and pinks. Its not just 1 tone of purple paint. It looks so fake!

You can still find natural live rock in bins of some LFS's when people tear down their tanks and give them away. Dry em and cook em and they are good to go. I'd rather have good ole natural fiji liverock over fake liverock or those nitrogen bricks any day.

Sorry for the thread hijacking attempt. I'm the notorious thread hijacker on reef2reef. :p


Still, live rock has no where near the surface area of marine pure, and in certain settings, like commercial systems, it can save you a ton of money.
I'm not debating live rock on this thread as that is not what this thread is for, but marine pure and similar are magnitudes more porous than live rock.
 
I am currently fighting the same issue. I received an ICP with 205ppb Aluminum a few weeks ago. I did a 50% water change expecting the levels to decline. Unfortunately that is not the case. I just received my new results from another testing company with levels testing at 215ppb. Any advice ?
 
I am currently fighting the same issue. I received an ICP with 205ppb Aluminum a few weeks ago. I did a 50% water change expecting the levels to decline. Unfortunately that is not the case. I just received my new results from another testing company with levels testing at 215ppb. Any advice ?
polyfilter, cuprosorb, or metasorb?
 
I don’t understand why people feel the need to add these bio-bricks to their tanks?
there is a substantially more surface for good bacteria to grow on than rocks. plus it takes up no space in the tank, as it is in the sump.
 
I am currently fighting the same issue. I received an ICP with 205ppb Aluminum a few weeks ago. I did a 50% water change expecting the levels to decline. Unfortunately that is not the case. I just received my new results from another testing company with levels testing at 215ppb. Any advice ?
GFO removes aluminium

If you don't want to potentially add Barium from some brands of GFO, use RowaPhos.

Regards
Graham.
 
I'm using two and everything is growing well and not a loss out of 80 corals, acropora, a few montis, and an LPS lower. I am guilty of testing my aquarium by looking at it. I test alk to make sure my calcium reactor is reacting. I have two ICP tests that came complimentary with my frag orders but Ihave not used one. I'm afraid that something will be off and when I fix it I will lose everything.
 
I have two ICP tests that came complimentary with my frag orders but Ihave not used one. I'm afraid that something will be off and when I fix it I will lose everything.


you may have meant that as sarcasm, but one of the reasons this chemistry forum exists is to assist people making chemical changes to do so in a safe fashion, eliminating the rationale for the mantra to “not chase numbers”.
Chasing numbers never leads to problems if the testing is accurate, the targets are appropriately chosen, and the method to get there is appropriate.
 
Half sarcastic. I plan on sending in both tests. One with freshly prepared water and one from the tank. The nerves and paranoia are real. The 180 degree paradigm changes in reefing theory have also eroded my confidence a little bit. 10 years of nutrient control theory imploded and has been replaced with another theory and dosing products to follow it yet neither theory relates well to my visual observations. I'm having the best success of my reefing life and am in a constant state of nervousness. I killed a fortune (I'm not proud and it was real big money) as a novice making things 'better'. The 5 to 10x inflation is not helping. If I had known my mental state would be so angst filled I might have stayed with softies. I can read horror stories on R2R everyday.

On Marine Pure (MP). I have never had a problem associated with their placement. My experimental tank with mean' aggressive fish and softies was fantastic with MP in the sump. It was the Cilliaris angel that chewed on them that hurt.

I am a hard-nosed scientific minded person that needs unquestionable empirical proof. I'm finding evidence from observations because I'm going slowly and can observe each change, such as adding a UV, because it's one thing at a time.
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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