Maybe i was crazy :/ Carpet health?

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The carpet i introduced into the tank found its spot, settled in completley anchored into the rocks, opens up nice and ate a silver side the other day (pooped out the remains the next morning) since then i had a fish infection, bunch of clowns died over night, rapid breathing and white slime.&nbsp;<br><br>I treated with rally and since then the mouth of the anemone has been stretched open, but still looking beautiful and plump. Now out of nowhere its startting to change shape deflate and fall off the rock. I did water changes, added carbon and now am sitting back. The paramteres are good 0 ammonia nitrate/nitrite pH 8.0. The bulbs were very old and as of today i changed them for brand new 6x 18watt HO T5. The tank is about 24 gallons.<br><br>Any ideas on what i should continue to look out for before removing the nem? Also black stuff was coming out of the gaping mouth and the clowns (that dont host it) were picking at it and kinda biting at the anemone so it began to close up more. Now they have left it alone but its still starting to fall off the rock.... any .02 will help.


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Being on a rock is NOT normal placment for a Haddoni, they prefer to burry their foot in the sand like a LTA would do. Get some more sand in there and that is a AWFULY small tank for such a large anemone.
 
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That anemone looks like it is still fighting. The clowns were just trying to adapt to the anemone. Clown fish must introduce themselves slowly. All of my anemones will close up if I add carbon. When the anemone is listless and it looks like it is turning inside out, and it shows no reaction to light or prodding, than it is usually to late. He may be just moving again. If you have sucessfully treated your fish infection, I would suggest multiple water changes to remove it. Usually water changes, rather than cures will balance things out again. The more medicine you add, the more your ecosystem suffers for it.
 
My Haddoni is first buried in sand, then attached to a rock and has been attached to the same rock for 16 years. When we moved him from my old aquarium, we had to move him and his rock. My sand bes is 3".
 
Honestly, I would seize the moment and trade the nem in for a more appropriate one for the size of your tank. The anemone is showing signs of stress and may never recover in your tank.

Good luck!!!
 
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Now this morning, plumped back up. Mouth is pretty much closed but you can still kinda see a little white but the foot it still somewhat hanging off. Should i try feeding it or just keep leaving it alone?
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Is he attached to something?

I had the same carpet, their foot should attach securely (quickly) if healthy...mine attached as 3Twinklets said, through some sand and then onto rock/glass.

being full or plumped up isn't really a sign of healthiness IME. Does he react to touch quickly? I would attempt a small piece of food again to gauge reaction. If he is healthy he will respond by eating very quickly.


GL with the carpet, but honestly as others have said I think that tank is too small. I had one in a 45 gal by itself and it is the limiting species in the tank. Say goodbye to all those fish too, they will eat clowns no problem, even ones that host them.
 
Hes reattached to the rock again, im going to try a small silverside now.

Well i did some research and asked around before i got it and many people told me i could do the carpet in the tank as long as i kept up with water changes and kept an eye on my ammonia and frequent changes in water parameters. I was told they know other people with large carpets in small tanks with a bunch of clowns and thats it.

Do you guys disagree with what i was told? You really think they will eat the clowns???!
I fed it a silverside last week and it snatched it up and ate it super fast.
 
You may want to try some shrimp or squid. Silversides is not an ideal food for an anemone. Also do not disturb him if you can help it. What is the temperature in that tank. A tank of that size may be heating up quite a bit. I see that you have inlets on the top of that tank. Haddonis do not like a strong surge/flow. Mine will draw in and back if I have to much. Clean fresh water is very important, especially if you feed fresh food. Also you may want to know that the anemone that you have chosen is a large anemone. You have obviously grown attached to him and I commend you for trying to find out as much as you can to care for him. He must have enough gravel to pile up and root into. If you can see that he has attached himself and stops moving around than he is OK
 
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You may want to try some shrimp or squid. Silversides is not an ideal food for an anemone. Also do not disturb him if you can help it. What is the temperature in that tank. A tank of that size may be heating up quite a bit. I see that you have inlets on the top of that tank. Haddonis do not like a strong surge/flow. Mine will draw in and back if I have to much. Clean fresh water is very important, especially if you feed fresh food. Also you may want to know that the anemone that you have chosen is a large anemone. You have obviously grown attached to him and I commend you for trying to find out as much as you can to care for him. He must have enough gravel to pile up and root into. If you can see that he has attached himself and stops moving around than he is OK
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I was going to say something about silversides but bit my tongue. I used to feed mine whole krill and it loved it.

Sorry am07f, didn't mean to scare you about the clowns...just was trying to warn you that Haddoni carpets get huge and their sting is very potent. They can eat clownfish, yes, but there's no telling how it will do with yours.

GL with the nem (I love these guys)! And keep the thread up to date with its' status when you can...
 
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Hes reattached to the rock again, im going to try a small silverside now.

Well i did some research and asked around before i got it and many people told me i could do the carpet in the tank as long as i kept up with water changes and kept an eye on my ammonia and frequent changes in water parameters. I was told they know other people with large carpets in small tanks with a bunch of clowns and thats it.

Do you guys disagree with what i was told? You really think they will eat the clowns???!
I fed it a silverside last week and it snatched it up and ate it super fast.
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No the anemone will do better with a clown. You can get Clarki, Sebae and I am pretty sure Percula/Ocellaris(That was in mine until the crab kicked it out), Orange Fin and Mauritian. Anemones will however eat other fish.
 
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Haha thanks guys! I appreciate all the help i can get. I use to have a blue haddonni and a RBTA in my 120g when it was at its prime. Took time away from the hobby and now just want a small tank... but of course my crazy butt thought how cool a large nem with clowns in a aquapod would look. I followed the instruction of some LFS guys so i went ahead and did it. The last thing i want though is this guy to die.

So i fed him an hour ago and no GO. He has quick responses but he lets go of the silver side. Like i said last week i fed him a silverside and he swallowed that thing in a second and ate it. Im gonna give him a week i think, not touch the tank and see if things change. Hes did attach back onto the rock but his mouth is still somewhat open, but smaller. Im hoping this was just a reaction to the rally treatment and just needs some time to adjust, as the rally was put in like the day after he was introduced.

Ill keep you guys posted :)
 
Here is today. Cant see the mouth, he never seems to lay flat, always folded like that footed up into the rocks.

Shouldn't he be opening up or will they wedge in the rock like that?
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He just likes it that way! He looks fine to me. He does not really have the depth to burrow vertically so he is doing is horizontally! Now buy him some shrimp! Dont forget to remove it from the tank if he chooses to spit it back out. With the size of your tank, you must be ever more careful to keep the water fresh.
 
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Like frozen prawn? Or do they sell frozen krill?

You know, i find mixed reviews about this but i do a lot of water changes. I probably do weekly 5-10 gallons out of the 24, but i do it like a little here and there a gallon or two. Its deffinatley not consistent sometimes i cant for a week or two but thats the most. I was that way with my 120 and all my corals flourished, now i just have this big anemone so im hoping this habit is good for him too... but am i changing his parameters too much?

And yes i remove all the poop and excess food from the water.
 
The clowns still wont go near it, they pecked at it once when it was shriveling and mouth inverted with black stuff coming out. But other than that nothing. Takes time im assuming or they may not at all? I was told they are not tank raised skunks...
 
OK. Go to your grocery store. Go to the fresh fish counter and buy prawns or jumbo shrimp or squid or scallops. Peel the shrimp and cut the tails off, and cut them into about half a dime size. If they do not have fresh than you can use fresh frozen (not cooked and not canned ). He is probably hungry by now.

The clowns that you have look like Maldives Anemonefish and will not normally go to a Haddoni. You should be able to trade them in for ones that will and your LFS guy should have known this if he was going to sell this nem.

The appropriate clowns for a Haddoni are: A. Sebae, Barrier Reef Clown, Mauritian Clown, Orange Fin clown, Clarkii, Polymnus and my Percula/Ocellaris go to mine even though they are not associated with that type of anemone. You can go online and see photos and dont let that guy sell you something else. Having said that, the first 6 names that I gave you are going to guard that anemone with their lives and will go after you when you reach into that tank so be prepared!
 
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So just because i bought a whole thing of silver sides i tried once more to feed him. Fast response but just eventually lets the silverside go. I even filleted it and removed the tail, it quickly grabbed it and then nothing. Then randomly different areas of tentacles started doing like a wave lol

Is he not taking it due to health or do anemones have picky preferences for food? Cuz he did eat a whole silverside the other day.

Going to the grocery store now to get a fresh shrimp. Should i try feeding again tonight or give him some more time??
 
Try feeding him. If he is not hungry he will roll it out and wave at you! And yes they do have feeding preferences. Silversides is not one of them.
 

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