Mentoring new reef keepers?

And here is the issue, even something as simple as your recommendations would have lead me to a heater. I live in South Florida and I need a chiller long before I need a heater. WVNed, PLEASE don't take offense, I'm just picking at this to show how difficult it is to get it simple and easy and right!

I am very hard to offend
You are right
My tank now is being run as I described with the addition of a sump and skimmer
I would describe that as phase 2.
Phase 3 would be all the stuff Brew12 mentioned. I dont even do any of that stuff.


My turn to offend somebody.
please don't be offended but I think most disease is a husbandry issue. I think weakened fish kept poorly die easily. This is not specific to keeping marine fish. It happens to new freshwater people too. I was one of them a long time ago. it happened to me. I have a tank full of non QTed fish from Petco right now. They where thin with spots and tails half gone when I bought them. There were other dead fish in the tanks. They are fine now.
 
See, I would have said heater too.

Just goes to show, also, that we need folks to put their location in their profile as well.

So much can be gleaned from knowing this.
 
@Captain Quint maybe I should start another argument by posting everyone should have to have a location in their profile. Whatcha think?

LOL!
 
My turn to offend somebody.
please don't be offended but I think most disease is a husbandry issue. I think weakened fish kept poorly die easily. This is not specific to keeping marine fish. It happens to new freshwater people too. I was one of them a long time ago. it happened to me. I have a tank full of non QTed fish from Petco right now. They where thin with spots and tails half gone when I bought them. There were other dead fish in the tanks. They are fine now.
Ok, I'm offended. ;Blackeye Or, maybe not. I think this is part of the importance of having some consistency and goals from the very beginning. I agree that it is a husbandry issue but not necessarily due to poor husbandry. If I were going to set up a system where I wasn't going to QT anything, it would be much different than my current system. I would have more live rock, fewer sps and more potential parasite eating corals like softies and LPS. I would set it up in a way that could support heavier feedings and higher nutrients. It would also change my fish stocking plans.

Again, this is where I feel having a consistent mentor would be great. A new hobbyist could find someone whose tank matches their end goals and then try to replicate their results my mimicking their methods. I highly encourage people to check out the build threads of people offering advice to make sure the advice is consistent with the end goals.
 
I was a saltwater beginner 5 years ago now, maybe 6. My closest LFS is an hour away from me, wasn't able to ask them very many questions. I would look up every single little thing on all the forums. Nobody in my family or friend circle has a salt tank to answer questions I had. The check the box for a mentor could be a great thing, or a horrible thing. In the have Alexa do your homework era, the youth don't want to figure stuff out on their own. The knowledge is out there already on the threads, you just have to put in the time searching, reading, & forming your own opinion on what might work for you. I spent a year doing research and writing things down before I even got my first tank wet. Filled an old tablet with hundreds of screenshots of stuff I liked. A reef isn't a video game that you can replay the mission every time you get killed to get that trophy at games end. For the mentor getting a mr. 20 questions every 10 minutes could become frustrating. A in depth tank start guide would be nice here, I read lots of them. To make them feel welcome enough to join the R2R family would be more important than what lights, what salt, etc. I knew nothing about saltwater and was intimidated to join because of that. I just joined this (only) forum a couple months ago because of the info and willing helpful reefers that share facts and opinions in a friendly way. If a noob catches the bug and immerses themselves into obtaining knowledge & a mentor passionate about the hobby hook up, great. Someone who wants to be told how to run a reef, urgh. Thank you RS, I've used lots of your advice over the years and glad your love of the hobby equals knowledge that some of us will never achieve, you just give freely. Sorry it got so long, just my experience. I guess to make them feel welcome to join the club and not lurk is my point if anybody writes a article.
 
I was a saltwater beginner 5 years ago now, maybe 6. My closest LFS is an hour away from me, wasn't able to ask them very many questions. I would look up every single little thing on all the forums. Nobody in my family or friend circle has a salt tank to answer questions I had. The check the box for a mentor could be a great thing, or a horrible thing. In the have Alexa do your homework era, the youth don't want to figure stuff out on their own. The knowledge is out there already on the threads, you just have to put in the time searching, reading, & forming your own opinion on what might work for you. I spent a year doing research and writing things down before I even got my first tank wet. Filled an old tablet with hundreds of screenshots of stuff I liked. A reef isn't a video game that you can replay the mission every time you get killed to get that trophy at games end. For the mentor getting a mr. 20 questions every 10 minutes could become frustrating. A in depth tank start guide would be nice here, I read lots of them. To make them feel welcome enough to join the R2R family would be more important than what lights, what salt, etc. I knew nothing about saltwater and was intimidated to join because of that. I just joined this (only) forum a couple months ago because of the info and willing helpful reefers that share facts and opinions in a friendly way. If a noob catches the bug and immerses themselves into obtaining knowledge & a mentor passionate about the hobby hook up, great. Someone who wants to be told how to run a reef, urgh. Thank you RS, I've used lots of your advice over the years and glad your love of the hobby equals knowledge that some of us will never achieve, you just give freely. Sorry it got so long, just my experience. I guess to make them feel welcome to join the club and not lurk is my point if anybody writes a article.
That is a very interesting perspective. I hadn't considered the impact of the mentor being an "easy out" that would keep the new hobbyist from gaining the actual understanding of why they are doing what is recommended. Something to keep in mind.
 
#reefsquad

What would you all think of having a mentor program?

We have so many new people joining lately, many who join and their first posts are about things gone horribly awry or they are panicked and think they have.

I have been doing this all along via PM.

One reason is, we have way too many cooks stirring the pot and it confuses people.

It's best that a person pick a mentor that knows what they are doing and stick with them for a while at least to follow things to either success or someone else needing to step in.

We could do a # like #mentor to call for someone to step in.

What are your thoughts?
Its a great idea but I do see conflict amongst others as we often see opinions which turn into debate and you know what debate can often become. I believe, it is up to the individual as some have hit me up to seek answers from one they feel comfortable conversing with.
If it could be somehow structured or conducted via PM, it would be successful
 
I was a saltwater beginner 5 years ago now, maybe 6. My closest LFS is an hour away from me, wasn't able to ask them very many questions. I would look up every single little thing on all the forums. Nobody in my family or friend circle has a salt tank to answer questions I had. The check the box for a mentor could be a great thing, or a horrible thing. In the have Alexa do your homework era, the youth don't want to figure stuff out on their own. The knowledge is out there already on the threads, you just have to put in the time searching, reading, & forming your own opinion on what might work for you. I spent a year doing research and writing things down before I even got my first tank wet. Filled an old tablet with hundreds of screenshots of stuff I liked. A reef isn't a video game that you can replay the mission every time you get killed to get that trophy at games end. For the mentor getting a mr. 20 questions every 10 minutes could become frustrating. A in depth tank start guide would be nice here, I read lots of them. To make them feel welcome enough to join the R2R family would be more important than what lights, what salt, etc. I knew nothing about saltwater and was intimidated to join because of that. I just joined this (only) forum a couple months ago because of the info and willing helpful reefers that share facts and opinions in a friendly way. If a noob catches the bug and immerses themselves into obtaining knowledge & a mentor passionate about the hobby hook up, great. Someone who wants to be told how to run a reef, urgh. Thank you RS, I've used lots of your advice over the years and glad your love of the hobby equals knowledge that some of us will never achieve, you just give freely. Sorry it got so long, just my experience. I guess to make them feel welcome to join the club and not lurk is my point if anybody writes a article.

This post probably made me reflect the most, I also did a ton of research before I started. Years later I am still doing a ton of research, luckily I have built relationships with people on multiple platforms that are still helping and guiding me to this day. I have sort of formed my own #reefsquad ! haha I have weekly if not daily conversations with people I've met that are knowledgeable in many different aspects. I still learn the hard way! I also am very limited on anyone near me having the knowledge transfer that I need. So this happens either on here, on instagram through posts of private messages or text messages with people.
 
I am the opposite. After more than 10 years of success I have a great deal of inertia to my methods because they have worked for me.

I am planning a 200-300 gallon system right now. The information is sporadic. So are the responses to questions.
 
One of the great truths of this hobby is that it's as much of an art as it is a science.

It leads to both endless fascination for me and perpetual, sometimes pointless debate on forums. There is no other place where you will so often see five people vehemently arguing over something and all five are "right" or all five are "wrong" (or sometimes both) :rolleyes:
 
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To simplify my above post:
A reef tank is like a guitar. I can show you where to put your fingers and how to pick, but you have to make the music yourself.

Love the analogy our friend. :)
 
To simplify my above post:
A reef tank is like a guitar. I can show you where to put your fingers and how to pick, but you have to make the music yourself.

Sort of. You are assuming that the person has a completely playable tuned guitar. You also assume they can read sheet music.
Even then they may stink at playing the instrument (like me).
 
Sort of. You are assuming that the person has a completely playable tuned guitar. You also assume they can read sheet music.
Even then they may stink at playing the instrument (like me).

Or like me, you have played in dozens of bands/ensembles and can't read music.

:)

I had to throw a wrench in this. LOL!
 
And this is why a forum with open opinions and suggestions, great members And dedicated hobbyists are better than ones single opinion on how to start or run a reef tank. This is one of many things that make R2R a great place to be.
 
And this is why a forum with open opinions and suggestions, great members And dedicated hobbyists are better than ones single opinion on how to start or run a reef tank. This is one of many things that make R2R a great place to be.

+1 on all the great members, and Staff of all capacities for making R2R the best forum/community.
 

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