Metal Halide

[Bpb]

Idk man that’s allot of data you put together just to turn around and say leds flash, as I was saying. Also attempting to undermine my point about leds by suggest the halide BALAST flash while properly operating is a deflection and does not change my point or the point of the numerous studies, from numerous sources, that show leds can have a costly affect, period. Certainly in comparison to tubes and bulbs.

I think the proper response would have been showing some data that countered my point. Maybe something on the safety of leds, or how they don’t shorten life span, or don’t cause neurological problems?

Furthermore just because the air and water is polluted does not mean I should take unnecessary risk. The risk your willing to take with your person and how you justify it is your business. I simply would just rather not.

Correct me if I’m misinterpreting you….but are you suggesting leds shorten the lifespan of organic life and cause neurological defects….just based on being leds by design?

 

[AwakenedReefer]

Correct me if I’m misinterpreting you….but are you suggesting leds shorten the lifespan of organic life and cause neurological defects….just based on being leds by design?

I’m not sure exactly what your getting at so I am going to say that I am suggesting exactly what the various studies I linked are suggesting.

 

[A. grandis]

Tullio DellAquila has been saying that public aquariums around the country (and probably others around the world!) have been migrating back to metal halide over their exhibits because of the health of the animals. They have unpublished experiences to prove their preferences for halides. Those are biologists and scientists, that say halides are better for the health of the animals, not only, but included, reef tanks!!!!
I think those observations alone, coming from biologists, are sufficient.

 

[ikaros70]

Seems like more people are starting to at least think about going back to MH.
I’m from the days MH had a stronghold on the hobby and radium seemed to be the goto bulb.
I am trying leds, mostly due to the cost of MH bulbs now, adds up quick in larger systems, but we will see how it goes.
I kept all my MH’s, I’ll go back if need be.
I guess for me, time will tell.
In general, I don’t think you can go wrong with MH. IMO… Costs on MH bulbs is a little ridiculous now but I guess you have to pay to play, lol.

 

[A. grandis]

Seems like more people are starting to at least think about going back to MH.
I’m from the days MH had a stronghold on the hobby and radium seemed to be the goto bulb.
I am trying leds, mostly due to the cost of MH bulbs now, adds up quick in larger systems, but we will see how it goes.
I kept all my MH’s, I’ll go back if need be.
I guess for me, time will tell.
In general, I don’t think you can go wrong with MH. IMO… Costs on MH bulbs is a little ridiculous now but I guess you have to pay to play, lol.

It has been well discussed in many threads how the different light technologies can make that influence in our pockets. Metal halide is a one time investment and the bulbs, to be changed once a year, aren't that expensive IMO. MH fixtures are way less expensive than LEDs. The electricity used for halides is actually used, not wasted as many think, if you look into the results!!
All I have to say is that we should give the very best for the captive corals! If you think metal halides will offer the best for their health, grow better, and still look the best, why think about saving electricity money? Less electricity with LEDs equals less quality results, if you prefer halides. Most of what LED companies suggest for coverage aren't what should be done anyways.. they want to sell their LEDs and say he coverage is great saving electricity. It's so easy to waste money with so many things in this hobby. Lighting should be one of the priorities, perhaps the top of the list IMHO.

 

[oreo54]

Lighting should be one of the priorities, perhaps the top of the list IMHO.

 

[A. grandis]

You've been watching too many BrS videos. LOL!

 

[oreo54]

You've been watching too many BrS videos. LOL!

No.. point was and in all honesty the light "technology" is probably ONE OF THE LEAST important factor out of all the other factors..well except for intensity.
HOW you use it may be an issue but it's not "the light"

Since spectrum is fluid leave that out as well.

Everything from HPS to Sulfur plasma grows corals. Maybe not all or with a look you enjoy but they keep stuff alive.

I'll be happy to hear EXPERT rebuttal.
unlike some people I'm not afraid to learn.

 

[A. grandis]

No.. point was and in all honesty the light "technology" is probably ONE OF THE LEAST important factor out of all the other factors..well except for intensity.
HOW you use it may be an issue but it's not "the light"

Since spectrum is fluid leave that out as well.

Everything from HPS to Sulfur plasma grows corals. Maybe not all or with a look you enjoy but they keep stuff alive.

I'll be happy to hear EXPERT rebuttal.
unlike some people I'm not afraid to learn.

You know what man? You are trying to give this thread a hard time... Halides gives you the RESULTS that we like in this thread. That is what matters to us. Not going to waste any more of time with your arguments. You are not even a reefer for God's sake. LOL! Internet surfer that actually is welcome here, of course. No hard feelings. Defending LEDs as you do just because you want to make LED fixtures for fresh water tanks to $ell is also "confirmation bias" IMHO.
Metal halide is the KING of reef lights, period. LOL! That is the focus of this head: results. Thanks, Oreo.

 

[Sdot]

Orphek icons.....with a couple of kessils

 

[oreo54]

You know what man? You are trying to give this thread a hard time... Halides gives you the RESULTS that we like in this thread. That is what matters to us. Not going to waste any more of time with your arguments. You are not even a reefer for God's sake. LOL! Internet surfer that actually is welcome here, of course. No hard feelings. Defending LEDs as you do just because you want to make LED fixtures for fresh water tanks to $ell is also "confirmation bias" IMHO.
Metal halide is the KING of reef lights, period. LOL! That is the focus of this head: results. Thanks, Oreo.

Halides are part of the "all light types" so there is no " giving them a hard time.. except in your head.

 

[zheka757]

brother oreo!, brother A. grandis! Cool it off guys. kind of went way to far into this lightning arguing. i mean bottom line is; to each its own!! people like healides people like leds.

 

[A. grandis]

Halides are part of the "all light types" so there is no " giving them a hard time.. except in your head.

METAL HALIDE = the KING of reef lights.
You won't be able to change that.

 

[A. grandis]

brother oreo!, brother A. grandis! Cool it off guys. kind of went way to far into this lightning arguing. i mean bottom line is; to each its own!! people like healides people like leds.

I agree with you. To each it's own, brother.

 

[A. grandis]

This is a gift to this hobby.
This new generation needs to hear Tullio.
This thread is a good thing.

 

[oreo54]

This is a gift to this hobby.
This new generation needs to hear Tullio.
This thread is a good thing.

Spoke the guy with a warehouse of bulbs to sell.. sorry couldn't resist.

 

[A. grandis]

Spoke the guy with a warehouse of bulbs to sell.. sorry couldn't resist.

I'm glad he sells halides. Someone has to supply the demand, right?
I get your point though, let's be real, but the facts he publishes are physics.
Are you glad you want to sell some LEDs?

 

[oreo54]

I'm glad he sells halides. Someone has to supply the demand, right?
I get your point though, let's be real, but the facts he publishes are physics.
Are you glad you want to sell some LEDs?

Where has he published them?
Where are his studies?
Curious minds want to know.
you know stuff like this:

Articles by Dana Riddle

www.reef2reef.com

As a final note, I performed this testing at no charge, and have no financial interest in any lighting
company.

 

[djf91]

Haha here we go again

 

[A. grandis]

Where has he published them?
Where are his studies?
Curious minds want to know.
you know stuff like this:

Articles by Dana Riddle

www.reef2reef.com

Keep curious! You will learn from it!
Dana is amazing and a scientist. He is at the top of the reef light authority in this hobby! I'm sure he would agree with all statements Tullio have said about halides, though...