Metroplex&focus or dr. Gs anti parasite

[Brandonsegula]

Which one of these will be better to use as food to treat ich? Right now I'm feeding dr. Gs because I feel like it's safe to the corals and invertabrates? Or should I just soak food in selcon and garlic and feed heavy? Just trying to treat my chocolate tang in the DT. Everyone I know the best would be to go fallow again but after doing that and getting ich once again I can't bring myself to tear apart the tank and start over so please when giving me the advice take that into consideration. Thank you.

 

[Maritimer]

As far as I'm aware, Metroplex hasn't got any effect on Cryptocaryon irritans. It's great for internal parasites, but ich is external. It's got some antibiotic properties, but ich is a protozoan, not a bacterium.

I'm not familiar enough with Dr. G's Anti-Parasite to really comment on how it works as a food - its primary ingredient is Chloroquine Phosphate, but that generally has an effect on free-swimming theronts in the water, as far as I know, rather than trophonts actively feeding on fish. Perhaps someone @melypr1985, @Humblefish, @ngoodermuth, @4FordFamily or @Brew12 can offer more experience with whether or not the stuff works well enough for "ich management", or whether there's a better tool you can use for treating in your display.

Something to be aware of - the stuff does pose a danger to corals and inverts. From Dr. G's site: "To avoid any possibility of damage to invertebrates and corals, remove food that falls on corals with a turkey baster and use Dr.G's Chemical Filter and Phosphate Remover to remove any medication from the water that was not consumed."

~Bruce, wishing you luck

 

[4FordFamily]

Which one of these will be better to use as food to treat ich? Right now I'm feeding dr. Gs because I feel like it's safe to the corals and invertabrates? Or should I just soak food in selcon and garlic and feed heavy? Just trying to treat my chocolate tang in the DT. Everyone I know the best would be to go fallow again but after doing that and getting ich once again I can't bring myself to tear apart the tank and start over so please when giving me the advice take that into consideration. Thank you.

Unfortunately there is no easy route here. This is going to end badly for you, I fear. I agree with what maritimer said. Feeding anything isn't going to help the ich or velvet.

 

[Brandonsegula]

I am confident that this may work.

 

[4FordFamily]

I am confident that this may work.

Based on what?

You're confident it may work? I mean I certainly hope it does but you're unfortunately not the first to try to find an easier way. We've all been there - I searched for ten years myself. I know I'm being kind of direct so I apologize if that's offensive in any way.

 

[jsker]

I have feed metroplex with seacheme focus to bind the med to the food with success treating ich. The reason to do this, so that the antibiotic does not dissipate in the water and instead ingested. Like humans this process is like taking a pill instead of rubbing the med on the skin. If you are not sure what it is the use metroplex, kanoplex and the focus in your frozen. I would also suggest adding vitamin C, B-12 to the frozen to help with the stress and help build the immune system up. I use vitamarin M & C in my mix along with everything else to treat, and on a regular basis I use the vitamins minus the meds in my system.

Get on it quick please.

 

[Brandonsegula]

I have feed metroplex with seacheme focus to bind the med to the food with success treating ich. The reason to do this, so that the antibiotic does not dissipate in the water and instead ingested. Like humans this process is like taking a pill instead of rubbing the med on the skin. If you are not sure what it is the use metroplex, kanoplex and the focus in your frozen. I would also suggest adding vitamin C, B-12 to the frozen to help with the stress and help build the immune system up. I use vitamarin M & C in my mix along with everything else to treat, and on a regular basis I use the vitamins minus the meds in my system.

Get on it quick please.

Okay will do. I have been using the dr. Gs anti parasite medicine. Should I stop today and switch to the metroplex???

 

[Brandonsegula]

Okay will do. I have been using the dr. Gs anti parasite medicine. Should I stop today and switch to the metroplex???

I'll also put selcon with the medicine formula

 

[Brandonsegula]

Also will the metroplex hurt the crabs, shrimps, corals and anemone?

 

[Maritimer]

Bound to food with Focus, Metroplex should be reef-safe - it was in my tank, during treatment for internal parasites. Loose in the water column, not so much.

~Bruce

 

[Brandonsegula]

Bound to food with Focus, Metroplex should be reef-safe - it was in my tank, during treatment for internal parasites. Loose in the water column, not so much.

~Bruce

No I'll affects on your inverts or corals? Also have you tried dr. Gs? Trying to figure out which one is better? Been fe ding dr. Gs for 4 days. No improvement.

 

[Maritimer]

I've never used Dr. G's, but Metroplex/Focus had no ill effects that I'm aware of - and none of the fish are pooping white strings.

~Bruce

 

[Humblefish]

I've only used Metroplex for:

1. Treating internal parasites by food soaking, using Seachem Focus as the binding agent.
2. Treating brook & uronema. (Although I still prefer a formalin or acriflavine bath first, transfer the fish into a sterile QT and then use metro as the followup treatment.)

I've never found any scientific evidence that metronidazole can be used to treat ich or velvet.

 

[Brandonsegula]

I've only used Metroplex for:

1. Treating internal parasites by food soaking, using Seachem Focus as the binding agent.
2. Treating brook & uronema. (Although I still prefer a formalin or acriflavine bath first, transfer the fish into a sterile QT and then use metro as the followup treatment.)

I've never found any scientific evidence that metronidazole can be used to treat ich or velvet.

Okay, I know I don't have any internal parasites. I treated for all that in qt have not seen any signs of any right now. I know I have ich. It's only on my tang. I'll stick to dr. Gs to try and help the fish with ich. Since there has been no evidence shown that metroplex can be used for ich. The box does say treat protozoan parasites.

 

[aykwm]

Well medicated food has very slight chance of success in curing ich. According to to seachem, if you bind metro to food, the metro will be absorbed by the skin and reach the ich killing it, but the issue is that you need to ensure that all the fish in the tank is taking in the medicated food at enough concentration to kill the parasite.

Metro is considered both antibacterial and antiparasatic.

Im not sure how feeding cp will kill ich, probably same technique as metro.
I would run carbon in dt in case medicine leach out from food.
I doubt this will cure your tank from ich most probably you will manage it, but best of luck.

 

[Brandonsegula]

Well medicated food has very slight chance of success in curing ich. According to to seachem, if you bind metro to food, the metro will be absorbed by the skin and reach the ich killing it, but the issue is that you need to ensure that all the fish in the tank is taking in the medicated food at enough concentration to kill the parasite.

Metro is considered both antibacterial and antiparasatic.

Im not sure how feeding cp will kill ich, probably same technique as metro.
I would run carbon in dt in case medicine leach out from food.
I doubt this will cure your tank from ich most probably you will manage it, but best of luck.

I think I'm gonna go the dr. Gs. Route first and see what happens. Also I have carbon in my filter sock. I was talking to someone on here and they said. Metroplex has not been scientifically proven to take care of ich. That's why I'm gonna go the dr. Gs. Route.

 

[jsker]

Okay will do. I have been using the dr. Gs anti parasite medicine. Should I stop today and switch to the metroplex???

I do not know what is in Dr G's product, but yes I would start with the antibiotics mixed in with the food for 10 days and see.

 

[aykwm]

I do not know what is in Dr G's product, but yes I would start with the antibiotics mixed in with the food for 10 days and see.

Actually seachem recommends 14-28 if treating ich. Its like treating with other meds for prasatic diseases.

 

[ngoodermuth]

I'm afraid neither of those options will CURE ich. Metroplex food as stated is more geared towards internal parasites as it hits them directly in the gut. When dosed in the water it has anti-microbial properties. Crypto does not seem effected.

The Dr. Gs food has CP, but it's not specific on dosage for each individual fish. You don't know how much each fish should consume to receive a therapeutic dose. In humans, this is determined partially by the weight of the patient (children vs adults, etc)

So if your one fish only nibbles the food and another gobbles it, and one fish is tiny and one is a whopping 7 inches...it could make a difference in how effective it is. When we dose the water correctly, the entire surface of the fish and all around it is a consistent, therapeutic level. And ich and velvet are External parasites, so this is more effective regardless. The CP or copper does not kill them on the fish, but rather disrupts their lifecycle after they emerge from the encysted stage.

For ich management, regular water changes including vacuuming your sand bed, using a UV sterilizer, and feeding high-quality, vitamin-enhanced foods are some frequently suggested tactics.

I know it's frustrating, and I wish you luck regardless of how you choose to tackle it.

 

[Brandonsegula]

I'm afraid neither of those options will CURE ich. Metroplex food as stated is more geared towards internal parasites as it hits them directly in the gut. When dosed in the water it has anti-microbial properties. Crypto does not seem effected.

The Dr. Gs food has CP, but it's not specific on dosage for each individual fish. You don't know how much each fish should consume to receive a therapeutic dose. In humans, this is determined partially by the weight of the patient (children vs adults, etc)

So if your one fish only nibbles the food and another gobbles it, and one fish is tiny and one is a whopping 7 inches...it could make a difference in how effective it is. When we dose the water correctly, the entire surface of the fish and all around it is a consistent, therapeutic level. And ich and velvet are External parasites, so this is more effective regardless. The CP or copper does not kill them on the fish, but rather disrupts their lifecycle after they emerge from the encysted stage.

For ich management, regular water changes including vacuuming your sand bed, using a UV sterilizer, and feeding high-quality, vitamin-enhanced foods are some frequently suggested tactics.

I know it's frustrating, and I wish you luck regardless of how you choose to tackle it.

I have a 40 watt uv sterilizer and I'll continue with dr. Gs. But do you think I should also feed once a day lrs reef frenzy blend soaked in garlic and selcon? So I'd be doing dr. Gs. 2 times a day and then lrs 1 times a day. And of course I'll be putting the nori strip in there for the tang soaked in garlic and selcon.