Moorish idol

Humblefish · Apr 14, 2017

domination2580 said:
What about using a qt that has had copper in it but replace 100% water and clean equipment to use cp on other fish?

That would be fine.

domination2580 · Apr 15, 2017

Humblefish said:
Yes, you dose all 3 directly into a QT. You can mix with copper just fine.

Or are you asking how a MI will do in copper? I prefer to use CP on them, but a LFS I advise uses Coppersafe on them all the time.

So what would be the timeline to follow as to dosing those meds? Can skimmer run? Anything different with the big three? If I did can I use both the meds you recommended earlier at the same time with copper and cp?

Humblefish · Apr 15, 2017

domination2580 said:
So what would be the timeline to follow as to dosing those meds? Can skimmer run? Anything different with the big three? If I did can I use both the meds you recommended earlier at the same time with copper and cp?

It's best to space them out a little bit. For example, I usually dose Furan in the morning, Kanaplex in the afternoon and Metroplex just before I go to bed. This is because Furan-2 needs to be repeated after 24 hours, whereas Kanaplex & Metroplex are redosed every 48 hours. Keep in mind Furan-2 requires a 25% WC every 48 hours, so you'll need to plan your other dosages accordingly.

Don't run a skimmer, carbon, UV, etc. whilst using any medications. And you can combine just about any antibiotic with copper or CP. Just know that appetite suppression will increase and available oxygen in the water will decrease from combining them.

domination2580 · Apr 15, 2017

What about the two you gave me links to?

Humblefish · Apr 15, 2017

domination2580 said:
What about the two you gave me links to?

Erythromycin & minocycline? Those are fine to mix as well. In fact, those are the first antibiotics I ever mixed with copper back in the day.

domination2580 · Apr 15, 2017

Can I use a ammonia patch from copper tank in anything else? Can it get dry?

Humblefish · Apr 15, 2017

domination2580 said:
Can I use a ammonia patch from copper tank in anything else? Can it get dry?

I would only use it in a QT. As regards on how to "care" for the alert badge, I copy & pasted this from here: http://www.seachem.com/ammonia-alert.php

No care is required beyond removing algae with a clean, soft material. Avoid touching the sensor with fingers, since skin oils can damage it. Do not use bleach, soap, detergents or hard objects to clean the sensor. Some dye medications may discolor the sensor. Sensitivity improves with age, provided the unit is not allowed to dry out, however, drying does not permanently impair the unit. For maximum sensitivity, the unit should be read under natural daylight or daylight simulating light. Red enhancing light minimizes green and blue hues, decreasing the apparent sensitivity of the unit. The response of the unit may be checked by holding it briefly over the mouth of an ammonia bottle: color should develop rapidly.

domination2580 · Apr 15, 2017

Humblefish said:
I would only use it in a QT. As regards on how to "care" for the alert badge, I copy & pasted this from here: http://www.seachem.com/ammonia-alert.php

Might have to check the ammonia check out...i didn't know that you could check that! Thanks!

domination2580 · Apr 22, 2017

Hey @Humblefish, I missed a question. So essentially I would have to get both maracyn and maracyn 2 correct?

Humblefish · Apr 23, 2017

domination2580 said:
Hey @Humblefish, I missed a question. So essentially I would have to get both maracyn and maracyn 2 correct?

For an eye infection, that combination would be ideal. However, just Maracyn might work.

domination2580 · Apr 23, 2017

Humblefish said:
For an eye infection, that combination would be ideal. However, just Maracyn might work.

So i could dose both at the same time correct? Lympho?

Humblefish · Apr 23, 2017

domination2580 said:
So i could dose both at the same time correct? Lympho?

Yes, you can dose Maracyn & Maracyn 2 together. That combination will treat eye and other infections. However, it provides no benefit for Lympho. As a virus, only the fish's natural immune system can keep Lympho in check. Feeding vitamin enriched foods and maintaining excellent water quality helps boost the immune system.

domination2580 · Apr 24, 2017

Humblefish said:
Yes, you can dose Maracyn & Maracyn 2 together. That combination will treat eye and other infections. However, it provides no benefit for Lympho. As a virus, only the fish's natural immune system can keep Lympho in check. Feeding vitamin enriched foods and maintaining excellent water quality helps boost the immune system.

Can other fish get lympho from it?

Peter Blue Reef · Apr 24, 2017

I used to swim with those all of the time and I've never seen one in the wild that wasn't healthy. However, moorish idols are a problematic species to keep in captivity. In my opinion they are one of those species that are best kept in the ocean.

ws6kid · Apr 24, 2017

Buck Sexton said:
I used to swim with those all of the time and I've never seen one in the wild that wasn't healthy. However, moorish idols are a problematic species to keep in captivity. In my opinion they are one of those species that are best kept in the ocean.

I agree. If this fish is eating prepared foods at the LFS and you have been wanting an Idol, this one is worth saving. They tend to not eat and be problematic in the aquarium, so don't waste your time and money if he isn't already established eating. Lots of time to heal a fish that will likely not make it long in your tank regardless.

Humblefish · Apr 24, 2017

domination2580 said:
Can other fish get lympho from it?

Yes, Lympho is transmissible.

Buck Sexton said:
I used to swim with those all of the time and I've never seen one in the wild that wasn't healthy. However, moorish idols are a problematic species to keep in captivity. In my opinion they are one of those species that are best kept in the ocean.

I have to disagree with this, as this species has been kept in captivity for 5-10 years under the right conditions. You have to be willing to center your tank around one and meet the following criteria:

Maintain in a disease-free environment. This species typically doesn't do well in an "ich management" system.
Feed 3-5x daily, and also provide plenty of nori. The fish requires a ridiculous amount of food due to it's high metabolism.
House with non-aggressive species. If a MI is getting bullied, it will sometimes stop eating, go sulk in a corner and die from starvation.

The above are hard rules. Break any one of them and all bets are off. Most people lose their MI to disease, or they cut back on feedings due to nutrient problems, or try housing one with large angels/triggers. Which is why I said you gotta be willing to center your entire tank around one.

ws6kid · Apr 24, 2017

There is no way I would argue with @Humblefish , but I think what is being stated is the same in different wording

This is not an easy species to keep. Make sure you understand the requirements of this fish before trying to save it.

Peter Blue Reef · Apr 24, 2017

Humblefish said:
You have to be willing to center your tank around one and meet the following criteria:

Great point! I agree. However, this is a fish that you would want or need to center your system around. Many do not realize or are willing to go through the effort. They are definitely an expert level species.

domination2580 · Apr 24, 2017

I understand completely. But keep in mind also, it is already eating in captivity. That's a plus. If i do get this it would be to treat it and possibly try to sell. I'm not sure im comfortable to introduce lympho into my dt...