xbrentx
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I have a 6ft 125G tank and the opportunity to get 2 mp40w ES for $399.99 Canadian each. Should I jump on it and buy 2? I wanted to get 2 of them anyway, is this price worth pulling the trigger?
MP40 - Buy 2 of them?
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^^^^^^^^^^^I Agree 100%
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eBay.com bro!
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Lets see, $800 for 2 MP40's or $200 for 2 WP40's... not a hard choice to me. You can buy them from Fish Street in Hong Kong, that's where I got mine.
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Tab28
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I have wanted a mp40 did years but at almost 500$ that is a hard to justify. When I read reviews and videos for the wp40 and at 1/5 the price I jumped at it. It works great. Granted issues have come up with the power supply dying so I bought the adjustable power supply for $10 just in case. Even the expensive mp40 needs to have its wet side replaced every year or two and that is $125.
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If your on a budget get a jaebo, but if you have the money get the mp40. If you sift through all of the BS online and find real comparisons you will discover that the mp40 is superior in every aspect but it is a lot more expensive. Jaebo is a decent replacement for somebody on a budget but is not equal to or better than an mp40 in performance. After I post this you are going to get a whole bunch of fanboys to jaebo screaming their pump is better but most of them honestly are blowing smoke and haven't owned both, didn't properly align their mp40, or just down right don't like ecotech and will try to get any excuse to make their jaebo seem better.
Btw, whoever says wet sides have to be replaced every year has no clue what they are talking about, I have had two running at 100% in reefcrest mode for three years with out a single problem. I, personally, consider my mp40 the best investment I made for my tank...even over my protein skimmer, doser, reactors, and apex.
Edit: a wp40 is basically an exact Chinese copy of a tunze, you don't see everybody stating a tunze is better than a mp40 or to get a tunze instead.
Btw, whoever says wet sides have to be replaced every year has no clue what they are talking about, I have had two running at 100% in reefcrest mode for three years with out a single problem. I, personally, consider my mp40 the best investment I made for my tank...even over my protein skimmer, doser, reactors, and apex.
Edit: a wp40 is basically an exact Chinese copy of a tunze, you don't see everybody stating a tunze is better than a mp40 or to get a tunze instead.
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I appreciate the honesty from everyone. It is clear that the WP40 is a solid secondary option to the MP40, but comes with the higher risk of failure and problems, with the mindset of simply replacing it since it is cheap. I have a hard decision to make, but I'm leaning towards the MP40s.
I live in the country and it is common for our power to go out for 1-6 hours at a time, maybe 2-3 times a year. I like the idea of a battery backup on the MP40's as well.
I live in the country and it is common for our power to go out for 1-6 hours at a time, maybe 2-3 times a year. I like the idea of a battery backup on the MP40's as well.
CoryC
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What I've been saying all along and always get my stuff jumped. There are comparisons but mp40 is clearly the better quality
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You always get what you payfor,I have just purchased two MP-40's and there great!The programing alone is worth the added expense,plus the small footprint in side your tank.Flow inside heat outside.The WP's are a lot cheaper up front but who wants a footall inside thrie reef tank?Nuff said!
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I've got two MP40wES on my 80g tank, with an Mp10 on the back awaiting the delivery of the wES driver for it to sync them all up. I've used two MP10wES, three MP10wES, two Tunze 6095, and by far I'm liking the MP40/MP10 combination. My corals (and more importantly, the gorgonians) are open and loving the flow. I can adjust them at will, easily, to anything that I want it to be, feed modes, night modes, all configurable. Trumps Tunze's solution (separate controller that is USB programmable only) and handily beats the Jebao series' controllability.
Think about this for a second - the 'big feature' of the Jebao is that 'it can make a huge wave, look at it!', but nobody thinks about the fact that a wave looks like crap and is incredibly unnatural looking. If you want wave action, then a very long pulse time is what you want, and I'm not certain how adjustable the WP series is in that respect. In addition, in anything other than pulse mode, the powerhead runs at 100% and you must use a lower-voltage power supply to decrease the maximum speed, like you must do with controllable Tunze pumps. Not an issue in larger tanks (as in massive) that can handle the full power, but what about smaller tanks? I can put the MP40 in a 30 gallon tank and it will not do any harm since it is readily and easily adjustable. Can the same be said of a Jebao?
Think about this for a second - the 'big feature' of the Jebao is that 'it can make a huge wave, look at it!', but nobody thinks about the fact that a wave looks like crap and is incredibly unnatural looking. If you want wave action, then a very long pulse time is what you want, and I'm not certain how adjustable the WP series is in that respect. In addition, in anything other than pulse mode, the powerhead runs at 100% and you must use a lower-voltage power supply to decrease the maximum speed, like you must do with controllable Tunze pumps. Not an issue in larger tanks (as in massive) that can handle the full power, but what about smaller tanks? I can put the MP40 in a 30 gallon tank and it will not do any harm since it is readily and easily adjustable. Can the same be said of a Jebao?
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That is pretty much spot on... There are other advantages to the mp40 like less heat transfer, keeping the electricity on the outside of the tank means safer, less real-estate in the tank.. They have the disadvantage of being louder because they are on the outside of the tank and are way expensive, a another bid disadvantage of the mp40 is you can not aim them.. .. This is compared to most other pumps too not just the wp40...
What is the draw on the wp40? Energy cost nowadays can make up allot for the cost of a pump. A cheaper less efficient pump can make up the cost in a short time. I dont think a mp40 is very energy efficient have to overcome the thickness of the glass...
Too answer the origional question... Either way you go you need 2 of them....
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Tab28
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The wp40 does control the wave length from quick to long. As for the speed as mentioned the w1 is controllable on speed only. But all you have to add is a variable voltage adapted which is less than $10. Then you can adjust even lower than the stated gph. It also has night and feed modes.
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99% of the noise issues are user error caused by a misalignment of the wet and dry sides. There is a slight motor whine when the pumps are pulsed, but run on a constant speed, the noise is likewise constant and is not noticeable.
If the pump is an older model and is not well taken care of (proper alignment, the wet side regularly cleaned [especially if coralline is allowed to encrust it], etc), then the bearings will have unnecessary force applied to them and will fail, causing the infamous 'grinding' noise as the motor spins.
After using Tunze 6095 that I could aim exactly where I want them, I find far better flow in using the Mp40 placed exactly centered on the side panels of the tank.
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They do not go over 28 watts drawn unless severely misaligned, which will kill the pump in short order. When run on anything other than constant mode, the total average power draw is much less. Lagoonal mode at 100% is 16.48 watts consumed average over 24 hours, reef crest is 12.61 watts.
The warranty is up to the distributor, not the manufacturer, as is pretty standard on things of this nature.
Thank you for the corrections. I'm not very familiar with the settings on the WP series, is W1 the wave mode?
And as far as I'm aware, 12v is the minimum voltage that you can drop it to.
I used the newer style 6095 that come standard with the 'wide flow' adapter, and the flow was nothing like the flow of the MP40. If I placed the pumps in the same positions as the Vortechs are in facing directly ahead, there would be high-flow directly ahead, and a foot or so away the flow would be only a foot or so wide. The MP40 flow pattern is a very wide ellipse, around 18" wide a few inches from the wet side, and around 8" tall. Perfect for what I need it to be, since I have a shallow tank.
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