I have a largest octo aquatics acclimation box. But I need more space I can build an egg crate one.
Not exactly zero. I've had issues with flame angels bullying coral beauties for some reason. There's always some small amount of 3 second chases here and there with the dwarf angels but the flame on coral beauty aggression I'm talking about is way beyond that. My original flame angel started trying to kill my biota captive bred coral beauty just out of nowhere one day. The flame angel was the fourth dwarf I added, after the two flame backs, so I was a little surprised considering those 4, including the coral beauty, had been together over a year. I added more flame angels to distract it but it was really honed in on the coral beauty for some reason and the coral beauty was getting pretty beat up. I ended up moving the CB to my 20 gallon long so he could heal up and put some size on and I donated that original flame to my lfs. It had gotten pretty big and was even starting to beef with one of the multicolors, but the multicolor wasn't really putting up with it, which is another reason why they seem pretty hardy to me. After donating the flame, I ended up with 4 smaller flame angels that are doing pretty good, so not all bad I guess. I always thought a flame harem would be cool anyway. Several months ago now, I picked up a "deep water" coral beauty at the lfs and it was doing great for about 4 months but then the larger of the 4 flame angels started going at him pretty hard. He was a little bigger than my other CB so I thought he would do well he was getting beat up. He's currently in an acclimation box healing up. Just kind of weird to see that happen twice when all the other dwarfs get along relatively well. I size probably factors in a lot so it's better to go for smaller sizes for the more aggressive angels. To test this, I added a rusty angel I came across a few weeks ago, that was a little bigger than the larger flame angel. The flame angel went after him right away but he was able to hold his own, so now they're just getting along. I should also note that when I was looking at the rusty in the lfs he seemed more on the aggressive side. He kept eye contact with me and looked like he was trying to intimidate me. So far he's been a model citizen. Good find for sure.
Man, I've had no luck buying pairs but have been somewhat lucky just getting angels to pair up I guess. My flame back pair were just two flame backs I got a different times. I ordered my multicolors at the same time and just ordered one medium size and one small size and got lucky. My bicolor pair were around the same size and just happened not to hate each other and eventually paired up. On the other hand, I bought my cherub angel as a pair and woke up to one murdered cherub in the acclimation box the next morning. Even the three times I've tried buying a mated pair of coral banded shrimp (gold, blue and plain) one of the pair has seen it as a good opportunity for divorce just about as soon as they hit the water. Maybe the cherubs would have worked out if I acclimated them separately or put a divider in there though. Lesson learned either way.
Unfortunately no. You can probably go through my YouTube shorts and get a good idea but I don't upload very consistently.
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Having planning prior to installing any tank is one of the best things you can do in this hobby, it can save you a lot of headaches, and although fish are unpredictable in any way it should be of great help to have a collection of data, fish experiences and behaviors you want to add together. Speaking about myself, I have the stand for a 150 gallon tank but that's all I've had for 5 years, nothing can be slower than that
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completely agree, planning goes a long way.Having planning prior to installing any tank is one of the best things you can do in this hobby, it can save you a lot of headaches, and although fish are unpredictable in any way it should be of great help to have a collection of data, fish experiences and behaviors you want to add together. Speaking about myself, I have the stand for a 150 gallon tank but that's all I've had for 5 years, nothing can be slower than that
That is correct, not long ago I had many doubts about qt tanks, now I can do it without problems, reading books and articles on the web, as well as many topics of interest here in the forum are of great help, it's like studying for take a practical exam.
Great read and awesome tank! Really like your fish selection. Seems like your flames might be paired up. Most of my pairs will do the freeze, nuzzling, rotating action before the lights shutdown. Not sure exactly what it is either but since they aren't trying to kill each other I just take it as a good signI can give you my experience. Over time I've added one angel after another. Adding all at once would probably have been the easiest way to do it. I now have 6.
I started with a coral beauty. My next addition was a bi-color. There was some chasing and the bi-color stayed up towards the top corners. I watched for anything other then chasing up to the corners and ready with a breeder box. But that was it for about a week. The coral beauty has never been aggressive toward the bi-color again. I never had to break out the breeder box.
Next addition was a flame. Again the coral beauty took off after it. But same as before just chased the flame up to the corners. Again, for about a week. Never aggressive towards that flame again.
Then I added a multi-colored. The coral beauty flipped out. Went psycho on it and took a chuck from the dorsal fin. Broke out the breeder box and put the multi-color in for about a week. The multi-color was a good size too and slightly bigger then the coral beauty. The other two were smaller. Maybe that had something to do with it. After a week I did another trial and the coral beauty just chased the multi-color to the corners for about another week.
Revenge.... The multi-color after getting acclimated to the environment and fed well started to chase the coral beauty and do a move to block the coral beauty into caves and do a side ways wiggle like I'm the dominant angel now and I can trap you in there. That lasted aggressively for a couple weeks and rarely happens anymore.
Then I added another flame. The multi-color and coral beauty lost their minds and were both super aggressive and out came the breeder box. One week in, 2nd week back in, 3rd week back in, 4th week back in and finally the 5 week they did a little chasing but not terrible and died down after that.
Now recently I just added a lemon peel. Nothing. The most aggression turned out to be from my bi-color that has ignored the others. Chased the lemon up to the corners for just a day then the lemon pushed back once and that was it.
Now a days there will be a little chasing here and there but it's quick and uneventful and often humorous. One will chase quickly another but then the one being chased will just abruptly stop and flash itself sideways and will end up chasing the chasey quickly.
Periodically the multi-color will do its dominance dance blocking the coral beauty in a cave but that's about it.
My two flames do something else weird. I don't think they are a pair and no idea how to sex any of them. But what is the slightly bigger and seems more dominant flame will run up to the other flame. The other flame will just freeze side ways to it flashing it's dorsal fin but not doing a dominance wiggle. Then the bigger flame looks like it does a quick nip but then both just kind of swim off. I have no idea what that's about.
Can see my five in this video
And pictures of them and now the lemonpeel in my tank thread
Build Thread - Jason's Tank Journey
The pipe organ still doing ok. I do see the filefish nip at it periodically but doesn't seem to be enough or doing much damage so far.
