BB systems are great! Increase the dose…
I had mine dosing 150x daily (very small amounts) hitting the water every 10 minutes when my rock was binding. Was the only thing that kept the Acro’s alive.
Hey…at least you have some nitrogen in there!
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BB systems are great! Increase the dose…
I had mine dosing 150x daily (very small amounts) hitting the water every 10 minutes when my rock was binding. Was the only thing that kept the Acro’s alive.
Hey…at least you have some nitrogen in there!
I’ve had good luck with ESV. I have some that’s 3 years old right now and it’s still hitting 12.4 after I mix it.
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Frankly, this and the ph increase and alk increase got me thinking...
Could this ESV kalkwasser be like their 2 part, more concentrated?
Or, maybe the SR Aquaristic was weak, either way, perhaps the kalkwasser is influencing the P04 reduction?
Corals have not skipped a beat, and show no signs of color loss or irritation.
As a precaution I am adding and increasing daily until I break 0.00.
Today we are going from 4ml to 6ml...
Let's see the result tomorrow, lol...
I bet the SR was weak.
Kalk does reduce or precipitate PO4 in some small way, but I’m not exactly sure the mechanism. Nothing too crazy though.
4mL to 6mL…that’s a foreign language. I can only understand ppm.
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Brs pharma kalk and a little tm all for reef is the pH sweet spot for me.PH chasers,
Nothing like having another tank running, in separate room, with the exact opposite light schedule...
Still in detailed observation mode, but already seeing interesting results.
Also, I was using SR Aquaristic kalkwasser, switched to ESV, and saw .1 ph increase, as well as taking 20ml of esv 2 part offline, and....taking an interval of 375ml out, from 18 x15 minute intervals to 17.
In fairness, the SR Aquaristic kalkwasser was about 4-5 years old, and my cheap butt wanted to work it out. So likely it lost it's concentration.
Before- 8.0 low and 8.3 high
After- 8.1 low and 8.4 high
As the corals settle, begin growing in the low boy, and as corraline seeds, I am certain the low to high gap will shrink, hopefully none.
PH is far more important than I ever believed! So is P04.
Keeping an open mind is of course the most important aspect of reefing!!!
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Brs pharma kalk and a little tm all for reef is the pH sweet spot for me.
Nice!
I think I was working with weak kalkwasser, tbh... This ESV stuff is holding alk no problem, and I have around 3/4 gallon if additional top off to work with. When I am at evaporation matching at full concentration, I can only imagine...
My goal is to have no ph fluctuations at 8.3 steady. Again, a goal...
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That's the way the pros reef Perry! Better to have to feed to keep up with the filtration, then filter to keep up with the feeding. BB is the best.
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Yes sir!!!
I got some goodies cooking for you!
Incentive to get your butt over here!
Also, Aquashella, in Daytona this November, we gotta visit the event!
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A little side shot show how this reef is pieced together, gotta love the egg crate stand in the back. Thinking about a reefbar in the rear to light up those colonies
Hopefully my P04 discussion didn't mislead, things are looking good
Hopefully my P04 discussion didn't mislead, things are looking good
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Why just 8.3?? +8.5 and your sticks will be hitting the ceiling
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Hey Charlie, I cannot share a graph, I don't have a fancy monitor/computer, lol... But, I will share my observations and experience, FWIW...
At this time, the entire system is not quite needing to match at evaporation, I will likely always stay a hair under, and allow my ATO to work, but very little. I do this due to being in FL, where fans are blowing all day, on both tanks. That said, I want to have a system that will work when the fans do not need to blow all day, but still be able to dose the current schedule. Allowing my system to go where evaporation takes me, regardless of alk, the ACI recommendation, is not something I am interested in, but to each their own. I will still always dose to alk consumption, ph goes where it takes me, not the other way around.
That said, I do feel that eventually, the system will easily meet demand, I have alot of corals, and they are growing fast, and some are getting to be colony size. I gave the opposite schedule a fair shake, but the problem is that the low boy will not keep up the ph on photosynthesis, whereas the display dictates the ph through photosynthesis. Makes sense, more lighting power, more corals, and much larger, plus 2 times the volume of the prop tank. So, the opposite schedule, while on paper, looks ideal, is really not, at least from what I am observing. Kalk total over 24 hours does not change, however, after more thought, I decided to change both tanks photo periods, and my kalkwasser dosing schedule. I think that based on what I am seeing, and how my tank impacts ph, that a staggered approach is much better. Why?
average ph during high light period in display=8.3
average ph during high light period in prop=8.1
So, my displays corals are taking advantage of higher ph, while the prop tank is lower.
Display Photoperiod- 7am-8pm
Prop Photoperiod-8pm-9am
So the display hands a ph of 8.3 off to the prop tank, then slowly as the morning comes, it continues to fade. Ph holds 8.3 until 9pm, so while the light is lowest in prop tank, PH is high, and as it becomes more full spectrum, it cannot pick up the ph pace and drops, I suspect, in time, with more corals added, and more growth, this would change.
New Display Photoperiod- 10am-11pm
New Prop Photoperiod- 4am-5pm
Now, this is only 6 hours where both systems are non lit. So, I will dose 375ml/15 min interval, every 45 minutes. I use 17 intervals per day, so 12 of the 17 are built slightly before and after that 6 hour down time. I imagine the prop tank will see 8.1 to start, but as the photoperiod builds on the prop tank, so does the ph, and during its peak, the main tank begins its photoperiod, so both benefit. I imagine the display still benefits the most, since the prop tank is handing the ph off to it higher than normal, at least this is my thinking. The goal is to really just shrink the gap, and keep ph at least 8.2 at low point. I truly believe it to be of great importance. Equally to that, a heightened awareness around maintaining p04. But that's a whole other conversation, lol.
Sorry to be so longwinded
At this time, the entire system is not quite needing to match at evaporation, I will likely always stay a hair under, and allow my ATO to work, but very little. I do this due to being in FL, where fans are blowing all day, on both tanks. That said, I want to have a system that will work when the fans do not need to blow all day, but still be able to dose the current schedule. Allowing my system to go where evaporation takes me, regardless of alk, the ACI recommendation, is not something I am interested in, but to each their own. I will still always dose to alk consumption, ph goes where it takes me, not the other way around.
That said, I do feel that eventually, the system will easily meet demand, I have alot of corals, and they are growing fast, and some are getting to be colony size. I gave the opposite schedule a fair shake, but the problem is that the low boy will not keep up the ph on photosynthesis, whereas the display dictates the ph through photosynthesis. Makes sense, more lighting power, more corals, and much larger, plus 2 times the volume of the prop tank. So, the opposite schedule, while on paper, looks ideal, is really not, at least from what I am observing. Kalk total over 24 hours does not change, however, after more thought, I decided to change both tanks photo periods, and my kalkwasser dosing schedule. I think that based on what I am seeing, and how my tank impacts ph, that a staggered approach is much better. Why?
average ph during high light period in display=8.3
average ph during high light period in prop=8.1
So, my displays corals are taking advantage of higher ph, while the prop tank is lower.
Display Photoperiod- 7am-8pm
Prop Photoperiod-8pm-9am
So the display hands a ph of 8.3 off to the prop tank, then slowly as the morning comes, it continues to fade. Ph holds 8.3 until 9pm, so while the light is lowest in prop tank, PH is high, and as it becomes more full spectrum, it cannot pick up the ph pace and drops, I suspect, in time, with more corals added, and more growth, this would change.
New Display Photoperiod- 10am-11pm
New Prop Photoperiod- 4am-5pm
Now, this is only 6 hours where both systems are non lit. So, I will dose 375ml/15 min interval, every 45 minutes. I use 17 intervals per day, so 12 of the 17 are built slightly before and after that 6 hour down time. I imagine the prop tank will see 8.1 to start, but as the photoperiod builds on the prop tank, so does the ph, and during its peak, the main tank begins its photoperiod, so both benefit. I imagine the display still benefits the most, since the prop tank is handing the ph off to it higher than normal, at least this is my thinking. The goal is to really just shrink the gap, and keep ph at least 8.2 at low point. I truly believe it to be of great importance. Equally to that, a heightened awareness around maintaining p04. But that's a whole other conversation, lol.
Sorry to be so longwinded
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Love the throwback "monitoring" style = no monitor.
Taking a similar approach with my reefs (and QT/prop systems) this go-round. If you've got reliable equipment upstream, the controller simply increases risk w/ additional possible points of failure.Agreed - has never made sense to me to replace all top-off with kalk (until your system demand requires it)... Equates to dosing "x mg" CaC02 daily with no consideration to consumption. When demand < additions, Alk increases and at some point will be (very) detrimental to coral health... And you've got enough smoothies in there to buy a nice car man.
Great plan, starting the kalk dosing before lights-out, taking into account the lag between kalk addition and resultant pH increase to help 'smooth' variance.
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I am with you, we were successful nearly 20 years ago with very basic tools. P04 test kit= glass algae, every other day haze, p04 good. Every day, high, more than 3 days, too low= simple. Computers were for endless hours of browsing Reef Central. Kalkwasser, was a staple, I used a Tom's Aualifter on a timer with 15 minute intervals, lol, oh wait, still do, but with a Milwaukee peralstatic pump. T5's were said to be inferior light, I still use them today. My monitor was and still is a Reefkeeper Lite
Protein Skimmer, well.... build something better than an I-tech with a Tunze Hydrofoamer, and I will switch, but alas, still in use more than 15 years later, although I did get a new pump.I have a fancy Simplicity 320 with a DC controllable pump thats collecting dust, supposedly it skims 300 gallons heavy bioload, whereas the I-tech200 is 200 heavy rated. Hmmm... I am not salty old, just old, but also know what works, so I plot along as an outlier
I prefer "the road less traveled "
I am with you, we were successful nearly 20 years ago with very basic tools. P04 test kit= glass algae, every other day haze, p04 good. Every day, high, more than 3 days, too low= simple. Computers were for endless hours of browsing Reef Central. Kalkwasser, was a staple, I used a Tom's Aualifter on a timer with 15 minute intervals, lol, oh wait, still do, but with a Milwaukee peralstatic pump. T5's were said to be inferior light, I still use them today. My monitor was and still is a Reefkeeper Lite
Protein Skimmer, well.... build something better than an I-tech with a Tunze Hydrofoamer, and I will switch, but alas, still in use more than 15 years later, although I did get a new pump.I have a fancy Simplicity 320 with a DC controllable pump thats collecting dust, supposedly it skims 300 gallons heavy bioload, whereas the I-tech200 is 200 heavy rated. Hmmm... I am not salty old, just old, but also know what works, so I plot along as an outlier I prefer "the road less traveled "
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Took a few top downs, I haven't paid much attention to this one, but dang it's starting to do some crazy coloring, stoked on this one for sure!
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Hey Charlie,
This one's for you, not a tenuis master like you, but this one's looking cool
This one's for you, not a tenuis master like you, but this one's looking cool
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Lot of hype Tenuis out there that will never look half as good as OP. Awesome colors you’re pulling on that!Hey Charlie,
This one's for you, not a tenuis master like you, but this one's looking cool
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Thank you!
Agreed, it has the wow factor.
I put CC Highlighter right up there, I don't have a HW, but it is on my list. Richard, aka Jackson, had branded a tenuis moons ago called the Jackson Tenuis, it's very high on the "must aquire" list, lol.
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Hey Tim,
I will have to growout a piece in the "Lowboy Lagoon", plenty of space. That way you can get this beauty yourself! Anytime you're close, you're welcome to stop by and see things in person, it would be my pleasure!
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