My fish are dead

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Just a few questions:

1.) Do you have any pictures of the deceased fish?
2.) You mentioned that you scrubbed the rocks. With what? All of them?
3.) You mentioned you are using API's ammonia test kit. That test kit is notorious for being unreliable / inaccurate, so it is very likely you had an ammonia spike due to a crash of the beneficial bacteria due to item #2 above.
 
I agree with Bleigh the kole and scopas tangs are the smallest.

@brandon429 where in the world did you get "fish die after 6-8 months with no QT" from? QT isn't the only way and many new hobbyist kill more fish in QT than they would doing smart additions straight to a tank with a good healthy feeding schedule.
 
I'd suspect calcium dosing. I don't personally see enough coral to need to dose it. Go with water changes only. I'd suggest 5g per week.
 
Disease can take hold any time if the fish are weakened, which will compromise their immune systems.

I say this because even though the lighting makes it a bit challenging to see, that tang looks so thin its bordering on skeletal. You can clearly see it's spinal cord and hollowed out cheeks.

Even a small Sailfin is going to be difficult to keep properly fed in a tank that small and immature. My guess is the Tang weakened to the point that it succumbed to something and took the rest of your fish down with it...

I think doing a bit more research on your fish choices will be helpful when you try again.
 
And this. (Also from a pro)
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We just got to figure out what went wrong so there's not a repeat. I suspect fish can definitely be kept in all kinds of environments, cause they have about as much grit as a reefer must have ;Happy . Unfortunately, this fish didn’t survive. ;SorryIn the future, I am hopeful that he could have kept the fish alive until it was time to upgrade. They say failure is the best teacher.
 
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You said you scrubbed your rocks.
Why?
Did you remove the rocks from the tank when you scrubbed them or did you scrub them in the tank?
As a side note. You commented that you had white spots on your fish but they fell off after a few hours. I have seen fish in quarantine that had white spots (ich). Checked on them a couple hours later and there were no visible signs of it. I attribute this to a New infestation and only having one life cycle ich in the system.
 
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I got that from cycling and following up on hundreds of threads afterwards as a pattern and then reporting back the trending. You might have a different take. New fish were added here beyond the originals, new vectoring. I'm not sure the link for the fish disease forum has been read so I'm backing out here.
 
There was some algae on the rocks so I scrubbed it off
Also the white dots a few months ago came fell off in a few hours after the light was on and repeated the next morning
 
@14g Nano

From a troubleshooting perspective:

1. It's likely nothing to do with your calcium dosing.... This generally wont affect fish - your invertebrates can be sensitive to alkalinity and pH. If there was something very off, it will likely impact you inverts first. It's simple, if you're Alk/Ca/Mg levels are dropping, you should dose. Many invertebrates and bacteria will use these. The microfauna are important too.

2. It's probably not a toxin (spray, cleaner, etc) for the same reason as #1.

3. It wasn't an ammonia spike, for the same reason as #1.

4. I can't think of any disease that kills overnight. Maybe velvet, but generally you will see signs of this (or any other disease) before an animal dies. With an untrained eye, it could perceivably go unnoticed. Even if you don't see the ailment though, you will notice your fish swimming 'weirdly', loss of appetite, skinny stomache, etc. Now, if it's been a few days since you gave the fish a good inspection, things could have escalated to the point the fish died, without you noticing....

5. Like @ca1ore mentioned, my prime suspect would have been a loss of oxygen. In the event of a power outage, your fish will die before anything else, because they require a higher oxygenation level than your inverts do. That being said, it doesn't look like you had a lot of fish in there, so I would guess the fish would have lasted at least 6-8 hours before they got into trouble. Perhaps if the oxygen levels were low to begin with, a power outage could have a quicker impact. Someone mentioned surface agitation. Aiming a powerhead so that it causes the water at the surface to ripple, can help achieve this.

6. Based on the pictures, it doesn't look like you have any massive bacterial growths... Overdosing on an organic carbon source can a bacterial bloom, which can lower oxygen levels, but I didn't see any mention of organic carbon addition.

Recommendations:

1. Get a powerhead (or 2) for your cube. it will provide flow which will aid in filtration, waste processing, oxygenation, and will be necessary when you undoubtedly decide to add some corals. A small Sicce, maxi-jet, Seio, etc can all be purchased for < $50.

2. Consider quarantining your fish before you add them. The necessary supplies can be had at an affordable price-point, and will save you many headaches down the road. Even if you don't treat the fish prophylactically, you can observe before adding to the tank. I prefer prophylactic treatment, but, observation is better than nothing. Visit the fish disease forum for details. The ONLY proven remedy for Ich is hyposalinity and copper - anything else you will be wasting your money on.

3. Lastly, get to know some of the Reef Squad team, along with other prominent and knowledgeable members of the R2R community. These will be your 'go-to' peeps when you're in trouble. They will help you avoid wasting time sorting through the myriad of (well-inteded, but misguided) recommendations, and be your quickest path to success.

Keep your chin up. Keep studying, reading, and learning, and things will get better.

Nathan
 
Ultimately, there’s a lot of things going on. And anything suggested is purely
Speculation. That being said, we all want to see you be successful. I compiled what I’m getting from the thread below. There are likely many other things going on. Being that it’s happening in a smaller tank, there’s more room for it to go wrong.
  • there was ich in the tank in the past.
  • There was a recent fish addition
  • There was a small sail fin tang in the tank. Some believe this is fine, some do not.
  • The OP saw white spots on fish that seemed to be coming and going. (Maybe just went away and didn’t see it again)
  • Other have noted that the sail fin tang may look skinnier than what would be healthy -though may be a trick of light.
  • The OP scrubbed rocks. Don’t know if something was used or if rocks were removed from tanks. Scrubbing in itself could have been a stress event though
  • The testing kits used aren’t terribly accurate (Was the ammonia 0 after the fish died?)
  • There may be oxygen issues, as we dot know what the water agitation was like.
  • The LfS was running copper, likely masking any sickness
  • Corals are fine and inverts are fine
  • No heaters - possible temp swing? What temp does OP keep the house? I ask cause I’m in North Carolina and am struggling to keep my tank under 80 right now and OP reports temp is 74.

    I’m Sure we could keep adding to the list of possibilities. I would just try to keep these in mind as you move on to the bigger tank you are working on. Lots of luck and hope to see your posts on all your success as you keep moving forward.
 
There was some algae on the rocks so I scrubbed it off
Also the white dots a few months ago came fell off in a few hours after the light was on and repeated the next morning
How did you scrub the rocks off? Did you scrub them in the tank or out of the tank? Did you rinse them off and if so with what?
 
There was some algae on the rocks so I scrubbed it off
Also the white dots a few months ago came fell off in a few hours after the light was on and repeated the next morning

If you were scrubbing all the algae off the rocks, what was the tang eating? no wonder it looked so skinny.
 
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Except the fish didn’t survive. Which is why this post exists. Something went wrong. I suspect fish can definitely be kept in all kinds of environments, cause they have about as much grit as a reefer must have. ;Happy

That being said, I have definitely seen many fish who have not grown the way they were suppose to because they weren’t in a better environment. The mark of success isn’t always just survival.

Im really just getting at the fact that @najer didn't give any bad advice, and helped clear up some of the previous comments.

I don't think the fish died because they were too big for the tank, but I saw it mentioned several times. These threads can be overwhelming to someone new to the hobby, and najer was just giving a nudge.

Best
 
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That’s a good catch also.

True. Tangs won't touch the algae in my tank (I've got a bunch), so I wouldn't think scrubbing the rocks was a culprit. The fish did look skinny in the tank, so perhaps an internal parasite could be a compounding issue (back to the QT plug).
 
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This is exactly what I am talking about. How is anyone jumping to the conclusion that because algae was scrubbed from the rocks, therefore the fish was starving? No fish in any of my tanks eat the hair algae off of my rocks. I currently have 9 tangs.

One thing that I do on a regular basis though to keep them alive, is feed them. :)
It may have nothing to do with it. Just trying to compile a list of things for the Op to consider as They work on their 40 breeder. I honestly hope they stick around and I hope you stick around too. I love this forum and love being able to sit around and talk about fish tanks with people who love it and won’t roll their eyes at me. ;Happy Cause I could definitely talk about my tanks all day. Sorry if it was too much.
 
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