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'My Miami' Growout
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Jeremym420
Active Member
I would be more than happy to also cut my frag once its ready and help get others on the list their frags. I have had pretty fast growth rates on the bazooka and other chalices.
Nanofins
Well-Known Member
Hey everyone, just thought I'd pipe in here. Right now the plan is for me to house the corals.
Obviously the same risks and rules are going to apply to most any growout. It won't be any different for the My Miami. Understandably for some this sort of arrangement isn't ideal. It does make a difference of course who houses the corals. I volunteered to house them as I am confident that I would have positive results and know my system is stable/established, and I am in this hobby long-term.
For a little info on me/my systems, for those who don't know, I've been keeping aquariums for 20 years, reefing for about 10. I currently have 50 aquariums running (had 106, totalling over 5,000g at one point, but had to downgrade), mostly freshwater breeding programs for very rare/exotic species. I have a 310g sps/lps reef, a 75 gallon zoa/paly dominated tank, a 40g custom frag tank, and a 30 breeder which I use as a backup frag tank. All tanks are run independantly. My 75 is the oldest system right now, having been running continuously for about either years. I have never had a crash or instability problem with any of my tanks. I am very attentive and I am a stay-at-home dad, so I have time to putz around a bit more with my corals than some. My plan would be to put the My Miami into the 75, as I have been getting stellar growth with my chalices in there.
I started with a 1 eye frag of the ECC Hybrid last October and as of now I have 13 eyes and it has gone from about 1/2" to 2.3-3" in that time period. I got a small piece of OME which had eight eyes. I fragged it in half right away and gave half to someone else. In one month my half has gone from four eyes to 9 plus some more eyes budding. Got a pumpkin patch at about the same time. 1 whole eye and one partial, now has 7. I have severeal other chalices that have all averaged at least one eye or better per month, including a tyree pink watermelon and some others like the bazooka joe (went from one eye to three in about 4-5 months time, nearly doubled in size). I individually hand feed all of my lps and many zoas about 3-4 times per week with a variety of pellets, mysis, diced plankton, spirulina flake, cyclop-eeze, and other stuff. I've been seeing great results from this. I'm just mentioning all of these things to give everyone some idea of who the coral is going to.
I am also working on a deal for the BPC Flamethrower and also the Monster Mash and Sherbert Orange. Happy to allow others in on these growouts as well. I'm not sure on how many I'll take on the flamethrower and others, but it has a rep for being slower growing, so it would be more complicated having more chalices on possibly different time tables. I may not be able to commit to as many people in the same amount of time for the slower growing chalices.
For the growth rate on the my miami, I can only say that from my observations it would seem it should be a normal grower. Its morphology does not look like those slower growing types I've come across, and based on the story from Jason, and accounting for the size of the piece in this period of time, I don't think this will be a slow grower. Of course, as said, the growth will be what it is. The other option is to wait for some other individual to grow it out and sell to us at a higher price as normal market trends go. I have several methods in place which I practice for my other corals which I believe will be very conducive to a successful growout with this chalice, and which will also make fragging and distributing it easy enough. The 1 year time period is approximate, but hopefully not far off based on my experiences with other chalices. I'm not too worried about losing the piece. Chalices are pretty dang tough corals. So long as we're sent a healthy piece, the risk of that should be absolutly minimal.
I am open to the idea of splitting the frags as they grow and sending them out. Certainly an option. I'm not an authority on chalices, though I've worked with more than my share, but perhaps someone can chime in here as to whether fragging it so soon would inhibit faster new growth or not. Obviously, for a chalice there is a certain cost in health/resources to frag it, and some time for it to heal before growing again. So long as fragging it regularly will not slow its growth, that works for me. I have not fragged my ECC or others, and the growth seems to be exponential as the rim perimiter increases. My original plan would have involved growing it out to 10 eyes and then fragging and shipping simultaeniously for everyone. I would hate to cost everyone time, so thoughts on this are appreciated.
I hope that answers some peoples' questions, and I am excited to see how this comes together.
Regards,
Zack
Obviously the same risks and rules are going to apply to most any growout. It won't be any different for the My Miami. Understandably for some this sort of arrangement isn't ideal. It does make a difference of course who houses the corals. I volunteered to house them as I am confident that I would have positive results and know my system is stable/established, and I am in this hobby long-term.
For a little info on me/my systems, for those who don't know, I've been keeping aquariums for 20 years, reefing for about 10. I currently have 50 aquariums running (had 106, totalling over 5,000g at one point, but had to downgrade), mostly freshwater breeding programs for very rare/exotic species. I have a 310g sps/lps reef, a 75 gallon zoa/paly dominated tank, a 40g custom frag tank, and a 30 breeder which I use as a backup frag tank. All tanks are run independantly. My 75 is the oldest system right now, having been running continuously for about either years. I have never had a crash or instability problem with any of my tanks. I am very attentive and I am a stay-at-home dad, so I have time to putz around a bit more with my corals than some. My plan would be to put the My Miami into the 75, as I have been getting stellar growth with my chalices in there.
I started with a 1 eye frag of the ECC Hybrid last October and as of now I have 13 eyes and it has gone from about 1/2" to 2.3-3" in that time period. I got a small piece of OME which had eight eyes. I fragged it in half right away and gave half to someone else. In one month my half has gone from four eyes to 9 plus some more eyes budding. Got a pumpkin patch at about the same time. 1 whole eye and one partial, now has 7. I have severeal other chalices that have all averaged at least one eye or better per month, including a tyree pink watermelon and some others like the bazooka joe (went from one eye to three in about 4-5 months time, nearly doubled in size). I individually hand feed all of my lps and many zoas about 3-4 times per week with a variety of pellets, mysis, diced plankton, spirulina flake, cyclop-eeze, and other stuff. I've been seeing great results from this. I'm just mentioning all of these things to give everyone some idea of who the coral is going to.
I am also working on a deal for the BPC Flamethrower and also the Monster Mash and Sherbert Orange. Happy to allow others in on these growouts as well. I'm not sure on how many I'll take on the flamethrower and others, but it has a rep for being slower growing, so it would be more complicated having more chalices on possibly different time tables. I may not be able to commit to as many people in the same amount of time for the slower growing chalices.
For the growth rate on the my miami, I can only say that from my observations it would seem it should be a normal grower. Its morphology does not look like those slower growing types I've come across, and based on the story from Jason, and accounting for the size of the piece in this period of time, I don't think this will be a slow grower. Of course, as said, the growth will be what it is. The other option is to wait for some other individual to grow it out and sell to us at a higher price as normal market trends go. I have several methods in place which I practice for my other corals which I believe will be very conducive to a successful growout with this chalice, and which will also make fragging and distributing it easy enough. The 1 year time period is approximate, but hopefully not far off based on my experiences with other chalices. I'm not too worried about losing the piece. Chalices are pretty dang tough corals. So long as we're sent a healthy piece, the risk of that should be absolutly minimal.
I am open to the idea of splitting the frags as they grow and sending them out. Certainly an option. I'm not an authority on chalices, though I've worked with more than my share, but perhaps someone can chime in here as to whether fragging it so soon would inhibit faster new growth or not. Obviously, for a chalice there is a certain cost in health/resources to frag it, and some time for it to heal before growing again. So long as fragging it regularly will not slow its growth, that works for me. I have not fragged my ECC or others, and the growth seems to be exponential as the rim perimiter increases. My original plan would have involved growing it out to 10 eyes and then fragging and shipping simultaeniously for everyone. I would hate to cost everyone time, so thoughts on this are appreciated.
I hope that answers some peoples' questions, and I am excited to see how this comes together.
Regards,
Zack
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This is a good idea in a way, but what's the bid limit that u guys are willing to pay? This thread only serves as a great marketing for this chalice, knowing that there's a group of guys trying to buy this chalice anybody can drive the price up like crazy, Just a thought.
snipersps
Well-Known Member
I am open to the idea of splitting the frags as they grow and sending them out. Certainly an option. I'm not an authority on chalices, though I've worked with more than my share, but perhaps someone can chime in here as to whether fragging it so soon would inhibit faster new growth or not. Obviously, for a chalice there is a certain cost in health/resources to frag it, and some time for it to heal before growing again. So long as fragging it regularly will not slow its growth, that works for me. I have not fragged my ECC or others, and the growth seems to be exponential as the rim perimiter increases. My original plan would have involved growing it out to 10 eyes and then fragging and shipping simultaeniously for everyone. I would hate to cost everyone time, so thoughts on this are appreciated.
I hope that answers some peoples' questions, and I am excited to see how this comes together.
Regards,
Zack[/QUOTE]
I think so that we all can have the same opportunity to get the new fragments as soon as possible we should raffle with all the people who are in the group buy. This way I think it's better because it puts us all on the same level.
As to the growth of my miami, last time that I saw Joses colony he had two eyes. This is back in April 09. From what it looks like now in the new picture the colony has about 10+ eyes. This means it grows really fast.
I hope that answers some peoples' questions, and I am excited to see how this comes together.
Regards,
Zack[/QUOTE]
I think so that we all can have the same opportunity to get the new fragments as soon as possible we should raffle with all the people who are in the group buy. This way I think it's better because it puts us all on the same level.
As to the growth of my miami, last time that I saw Joses colony he had two eyes. This is back in April 09. From what it looks like now in the new picture the colony has about 10+ eyes. This means it grows really fast.
Nanofins
Well-Known Member
That's good to hear about Joses piece. Sort of matches what I've been seeing.
I don't mean to sound stupid, but could you clarify on the raffle idea? Are you meaning that we would raffle for the order that people get frags? Just want to get an idea of how that would work. If we did start cutting and distributing as we go, regardless of order, I think it would only be fair that any recipients would first be obligated to distribute to the others in the group, in order (however determined), until everyone has a frag.
Jeremym420
Active Member
I don't think the order of the list should be changed at this point. I do think that if single eye frags are sent out when ready, the people getting them first should definately help supply the rest of the people on the list.
reefcrazydude
Active Member
i think it's fair to let Zack growth out to 10 eyes and frags so everybody have one at the sametime, instead spit everywhere, i feel not fair for someone that have last frag..
Jeremym420
Active Member
The flipside is if more than 1 person is growing out eyes, everyone might be able to have their frags sooner. Either way works i guess.
JR's Reef
Joey08
Im not in this but think if yall do get one the best bet is to at least frag one time so there is a backup. I would hate to see everybody take that kind of lose on anything. Oh and if there is a opening LMK
Nanofins
Well-Known Member
A backup frag/growout isn't a bad idea, but I do have other systems too. Not that I'm trying to be greedy here or anything--it's not that--I just don't know how everyone feels about being on a list where they have to wait longer than some. Having frags being shipped out and then fragged again soon after also increases risk of loss somewhere along the way not only from extra fragging, but also extra shipping. I also haven't heard an argument one way or the other whether fragging will inhibit growth rate versus allowing it to keep putting resources into growth and new eyes. Again, whatever is best for the group as a whole, not necessarily what gets frags into the first couple hands quickest.
reefcrazydude
Active Member
how about Nanofins growth out 2 eyes and cut half one in the main and one in the other tank and let them growth out that way to 10 eyes or more,( i see more then 10 people on the list right now)maybe wait little longer but cheaper than $155, then frags and ship out so everybody have the frag sametime. let say 1 year or less from the frag cut and split in to 2 system..
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Acrokeeper3729
Premium member
I think that Nanofins is a reputable reefer and if he has 2 systems he should frag the 1st piece after about 3 eyes so its nice and healthy, put the backup frag in his second system and when we have the ten eyes between the 2 pieces cut em up and ship em out. I dont want to go too long on the wait so I feel 10 people is good. Too many in on this just makes the wait that much longer.
Nanofins
Well-Known Member
I was considering that. Jason seems to be free to sell now. It's an option, rather than wait till Dec. for WWC to auction, but do we want to wait on the possibility that it goes cheaper by auction? The risk remains that if waiting for the auction, we could still be outbid, even with our group buying power (maybe even by another group).
Also, if Jason was willing to sell now, seeing as we have so much interest, I think it might be a good option to explore to buy two frags and allow twice as many people. We could possibly do two people growing then. Dunno.
Also, if Jason was willing to sell now, seeing as we have so much interest, I think it might be a good option to explore to buy two frags and allow twice as many people. We could possibly do two people growing then. Dunno.
Acrokeeper3729
Premium member
I say go for it, I think we may get outbid to be honest. I say we try to get 1 frag first then we can see if theres 10 more in for a second we go for 2 growouts.
Hey nanofins I sent you a pm did you get it?
Hey nanofins I sent you a pm did you get it?
snipersps
Well-Known Member
I know there's already a list but you asked for a suggestion, and this one seemed the most fair. I know that the people at the front of list don't benefit much(but if we put every ones name, then the first frag would go to whose name gets drawn first, and the next eye would go to the second name) since everybody is running the same risk of winning or losing I think leaving this to luck would make it fair for every one.
Also we have too be sure that the people who are on the list, are going to pay more money because whats going to happen if it gets near 2000 dollars? You know there's some people that really want and won't care they'll just pay the money. For me I want too clarify there's no problem if I have to pay more if the piece gets too expensive.
As to the list and the raffle however you guys want to do it is fine I just wanted to throw that out there.
