My path towards SPS

You would want to base your target parameters based on where you’re at. Where are you at currently?
I am in Houston, Texas. A high humidity, high heat Area. I keep my thermostat set at 71 degrees F, which allows my temperature in my house float between 70 and 72.

is that what you are asking for?
 
I don't see this in your current build but you also need to think about your SPS dipping and QT strategy.

Search:. Bayer dip, interceptor, CoralRx, Melafix marine, lugols.

Plan to gather dedicated supplies for a frag dipping workspace.

Optimally find room for a separate smaller QT tank with light and flow to house frags. This isn't realistic for most but if you can make it happen you'll be way ahead.


Assume Red bugs/AEFW are on every frag you buy and treat accordingly or you will find them in you display.
100% this ^^
Keeping pests out will save you so much frustration down the road. The little monsters are out there - here’s what fell off when I dipped some corals from a recent live sale from a pretty well known seller.
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There is a couple of points I would like to add here. I worked at my local fish store for about 7 years through high school and college (which I still frequent and talk with customers I used to help) and dealing with a variety of situations I have some advice I'd like to offer to you.

1. Maintaining equipment- I know you have said it a bunch that you like your tech, which is great and can be super powerful but like anything else they are only as good as you program them to be (which requires a certain skill set). The tech is great but it never hurts to run a manual test to confirm your pumps/testers are performing how they should (I recently found out my reagent for my Hanna alkalinity tester was no good and it was measuring 1dkh high, which for a sps tank isn’t good).

2. With kalk you will find some people that swear by it and others that want nothing to do with it. Personally, I do not like using Kalk for a few reasons but mostly the fact that I live in PA and my evaporation varies depending on the season makes it really hard to maintain a constant dose level. So in the winter when the heat is running my ato will be running more, adding more freshwater (and in this case more Kalk, where my system might not need it causing a spike in CA & KH). Kalk is also hard on the pumps and requires more upkeep in clearing the lines and the storage containers (it does settle out so it needs to be mixed often to maintain the solution). Also for your setup, I'm not sure if I missed it or not but I didn't see any way for you to dose it. Most people have a top-off container where they mix the kalk into solution and an ato pumps it to the tank as part of the top-off procedure.

3. Unlimited RO water access for top-off
I have dealt with a few cases where people hook their tanks directly up to the RO system and a float switches fails & pumps endless amounts of freshwater into the tank and the floor, or a drain clogs and your return pump keeps pumping into the display drains the sump and the ro unit pushes water to the tank, again turning your tank into a freshwater tank. Lastly when a ro unit has sat idle for any amount of time before you begin using the water it is making you should purge the membrane (ex. run the water coming from the membrane into the drain for a minute or two). Doing this will also preserve your DI resin as it does not have to work as hard removing what settled in the membrane. A DI canister (attached to your ro unit) and an inline TDS meter is the next thing I would invest in which will cost you approximately $150. These are your first line of defense when it comes to battling nitrates and phosphates coming in from the tap water. Back to my point of unlimited access to water, I would consider a separate container (~20-30 gals) to store your freshwater that you can turn the ro on fill the container then turn the ro off. This separates your tank from a direct line to water but then you will need to purchase an ato. Maybe even look into mixing station, there are lots of threads on here of people sharing their setups and advice.

4. Each tank is different and responds differently to any changes you make. So keep this in mind what works for some may not work for your tank. You have to make adjustments based on what your tank is telling you visually (there are somethings that you can't test for) and from testing parameters. This is all part of the learning curve and the fun of the hobby.


Sorry for the dissertation but I hope this offers you some advice. Good luck with your build. Feel free to message me with any questions!
Don’t apologize! Thank you for writing this up. Not sure what I want to respond to first : ) there is a lot here. I’ll start with my RODI/ATO. I have done a ton of research now on my RODI system and like to think I have a good understanding now of what it is doing and the maintenance requirements. I have a 55 gallon drum sitting right next to the RODI system. I am about to change the plumbing a little to send RODI water into the barrel. I am going to put a float shutoff device in there (like a toilet) and start making my own water. My sump has a float device that kicks on the ATO, but it also has a second float (a little higher) that’s is designed to be a complete shut off of the ATO. F course it break down still, but I watch it all pretty closely. I amaware of the risks with it : )

I have started waffling on using Kalk. The initial research I did made it sound perfect. I kept researching it though and found there are a long list of cons with it as well. You just described several of them. At the end of the day, Kalk is really just calcium, right?

I did just commit to buying the Apex Neptune controller system and the Trident dosing system. I am by no means an IT genius lol. My LFS guy is going to help with the initial set up and I have been reading a 10 part tutorial that one of the members here wrote on setting things up with it.

I am a total geek with my tank : ) I like your idea of doing some occasional manual testing.
 
100% this ^^
Keeping pests out will save you so much frustration down the road. The little monsters are out there - here’s what fell off when I dipped some corals from a recent live sale from a pretty well known seller.
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This is in the plan! I don’t plan on buying any new livestock for at least six months, so it is just a little lower on my priorities at the moment. There is also another reason why I haven’t done this yet. I am currently remodeling my office in my house. I planned on having the QT in that room...
 
Kalk is more than calcium. It's calcium hydroxide (CaOH). So while dosing kalk you are actually dosing for Ca, Kh, & pH. Which having a product that doses 3 things is great if they are all consumed equally. Unfortunately they are not, they work together along with magnesium to supply the coral elements to build their skeleton. I found I almost always ended up over shooting calcium or alkalinity then had to work to bring them back to normal. People like kalk because it it cheap and for those that find themselves in between needing a calcium reactor (which is pricey and complex in it's own way) and dosing a lot of 2 part, kalk saves them money. They can fully saturate the freshwater then add Ca or Kh buffers separately as needed but at lower levels to achieve their desired levels.

What dosage of kalk are using and how are you dosing it? Do you know what your Ca,Kh, & Mg levels are?

The apex is a powerful tool, and the modules that you can add on are great way to automate the tank. I started with the Apex jr and now this year I upgraded to the new full system and I'm nowhere near its full capabilities.
 
Kalk is more than calcium. It's calcium hydroxide (CaOH). So while dosing kalk you are actually dosing for Ca, Kh, & pH. Which having a product that doses 3 things is great if they are all consumed equally. Unfortunately they are not, they work together along with magnesium to supply the coral elements to build their skeleton. I found I almost always ended up over shooting calcium or alkalinity then had to work to bring them back to normal. People like kalk because it it cheap and for those that find themselves in between needing a calcium reactor (which is pricey and complex in it's own way) and dosing a lot of 2 part, kalk saves them money. They can fully saturate the freshwater then add Ca or Kh buffers separately as needed but at lower levels to achieve their desired levels.

What dosage of kalk are using and how are you dosing it? Do you know what your Ca,Kh, & Mg levels are?

The apex is a powerful tool, and the modules that you can add on are great way to automate the tank. I started with the Apex jr and now this year I upgraded to the new full system and I'm nowhere near its full capabilities.
I am not currently using Kalk at all. The more I read about it, the more I thought a greater level of stability can be achieved with the dosing system I am getting. I have read a lot about calcium reactors. I almost went the calcium reactor way to be honest. It felt like my best option was the Neptune/Trident way and three part dosing.
 
I am in Houston, Texas. A high humidity, high heat Area. I keep my thermostat set at 71 degrees F, which allows my temperature in my house float between 70 and 72.

is that what you are asking for?
No, what are your tank parameters?

Alk
Ca
Mg
Nitrate
Phosphate
pH
 
No, what are your tank parameters?

Alk
Ca
Mg
Nitrate
Phosphate
pH
So, remember when you see these numbers, I have a tank full of softies right now and no SPS yet. Dosing system is now paid for, but not here yet. : )

Alk 7.8
Ca 440
Mg - not tested yet
Nitrate very close to zero
Phosphate 0.25
pH 8
temp 77
salinitity 1.025
 
So, remember when you see these numbers, I have a tank full of softies right now and no SPS yet. Dosing system is now paid for, but not here yet. : )

Alk 7.8
Ca 440
Mg - not tested yet
Nitrate very close to zero
Phosphate 0.25
pH 8
temp 77
salinitity 1.025

Fritz RPM mixes at Alk 8-9, Ca 400-450 and Mg 1300-1400. I would set your targets around those values. Dosing right now will be unnecessary as your uptake on Alk/Ca/Mg will be so low water changes will do the trick. Transitioning to SPS the only thing you really want to look into would be lowering Phosphate. If it hasn’t been increasing quickly water changes maybe an easy solution!

I run my NO4 5-10 and PO4 .05-.08. Definitely having some nutrients is good thing!
 
Fritz RPM mixes at Alk 8-9, Ca 400-450 and Mg 1300-1400. I would set your targets around those values. Dosing right now will be unnecessary as your uptake on Alk/Ca/Mg will be so low water changes will do the trick. Transitioning to SPS the only thing you really want to look into would be lowering Phosphate. If it hasn’t been increasing quickly water changes maybe an easy solution!

I run my NO4 5-10 and PO4 .05-.08. Definitely having some nutrients is good thing!
I do weekly 10% water changes... and I just recently started making my own water. Using RODI water.

Agreed on the dosing. But I want the equipment in place... and the chemicals for when it’s time to start. Which is why I also went with the Neptune controller. It’s the testing capabilities that I want more than anything else right now. Strong stability is only just now becoming an option for me. I am 14 weeks in on my tank : )
 
...............tick, tick, tick, tick.......

I want my new toys! Someone wave their magic wand and have them delivered today!!!

(it will all be installed this time next weekend : ) I want it now!!!! Lol
 
Okay so.... you guys never mentioned it is almost impossible to buy a Trident dosing system and/or almost just as hard to get the reagents needed! : ( This is unbelievable! I now have two LFS’s looking and I have asked to be notified by half a dozen online distributors when they have something in stock.

just... wow
 
All journeys have those low spots where it feels like nothing is happening. ...waiting on new equipment to arrive... letting nature mature my tank... I am reading ALOT. But it feels like I am not doing anything. Just.... waiting.

i have a good plan in place. The hardest part of it... no new livestock for 6 months... is kicking my butt : ) I went to my LFS for supplies yesterday. I really, really, really wanted to : ) buy a new coral. I did talk myself out of it.
 
So, remember when you see these numbers, I have a tank full of softies right now and no SPS yet. Dosing system is now paid for, but not here yet. : )

Alk 7.8
Ca 440
Mg - not tested yet
Nitrate very close to zero
Phosphate 0.25
pH 8
temp 77
salinitity 1.025
My two cents:
You currently have normal alkalinity. You'll be told to raise it. I listened to that advice for years and couldnt keep SPS alive. Then I started maintaining natural seawater levels of alkalinity (like what you currently have) and my SPS starting thriving. I suggest saving yourself years of experimentation and sticking with natural alkalinity (7-8) from the beginning. You'll be glad you did...
 
My two cents:
You currently have normal alkalinity. You'll be told to raise it. I listened to that advice for years and couldnt keep SPS alive. Then I started maintaining natural seawater levels of alkalinity (like what you currently have) and my SPS starting thriving. I suggest saving yourself years of experimentation and sticking with natural alkalinity (7-8) from the beginning. You'll be glad you did...
Oddly enough, that has been suggested. I am getting very close to a tipping point. My readings... my conversation... my learning... I am seeing where the debates are in the science of all this. At my current level of experience and knowledge (dare I use that word? Lol) I know enough right now only be a danger to myself. ...knowing “who” to listen to may just prove to be the single biggest challenge in this hobby.
 
Wow, I just had to go back and look.... I really did think it had been much longer.

This thread is only 17 days old (18 really, it pretty late at night here ) I swear I thought it had been at least a month and a half. ......six months and no new livestock. That Sucks!!!
 
So, yeah... I had to change the plan. I still want the trident system, but Covid is messing that up. I can’t find either a Trident or the reagents anywhere. It appears as though this going to continue for a few months, so....

I have the Apex Neptune controller. I am hooking it up this weekend. I just bought an Octopus Calcium Reactor... a complete bundle. It’ll be here next week. I plan on letting the Neptune control it.

I still need at least a 2 stage dosing system. I plan on getting the DOS & DDR dosing system package. If anyone ever has it available : ( I’ve set up notifications from all the major distributors.

Any thoughts on my plan?
 
Google apex salinity probe issues.

Lot of ppl have a hard time getting it to calibrate to an accurate value.

Even if you can't get it calibrated, it should settle in to being reliably off so you'll still be able to use it to monitor unexpected changes in salinity.
 
The salinity probe takes a week or 2 to settle to where you can calibrate it. So I just turned the alarms off for those 2 weeks then calibrated it. Also did you enable the temp correct factor in the advanced settings (it should be set to 2.2, don't forget to click the orange update button. I've done that a time or 5)? Another point, make sure you float the sealed calibration in the tank to warm them to your tank, especially the conductivity solution because that reading is temperature dependent. If possible place the probe where it wont get blasted with micro bubbles from the skimmer or drain lines. Personally I don't use the number it gives, I use it more to monitor stability. If it reads 33.5 for a few days and I see a large drop I know a lot of fresh water was added and something is wrong. Or watch for it to rise and then I know my ato container is empty.

The ORP probe is similar where it needs 2-3 weeks to "season to begin giving better readings but there is no calibration solution needed for that.
 

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