Naoko wrasse lying and breathing heavy.

[melypr1985]

ahhh i guess i have some kanaplex. Does anyone know if that can be used with general cure

General cure is just Prazi and metroplex, so kanaplex is able to be mixed with that safely. just keep in mind that the more meds you mix the more chance for a bacterial bloom and decreased oxygen levels.

 

[rpeters]

update on the little guy, did 50% water change yesterday and started 2nd dose of general cure and second dose of kanaplex today. he has been out swimming and moving around now, seems to has some affiliation with NASCAR as he swims in left circles a lot. haven't seen him eat anything but he pecks at the bottom a bite so assuming he is just not while I'm watching or feeding.

Current plan is come Friday add some carbon to strip the meds and probably observe for a bit unless anyone has any thoughts for a different approach.

 

[rpeters]

So the little guy continues to be more active but still appears to have issues swimming and when laying down tends to lay on his side.
The more I dig I wonder if this might be some type of swim bladder and curious of others thoughts and recommendation to his current issue. attached is a video that shows pretty much what all of his swimming looks like.
I had to leave lights out as he will go lay down if they are on and he sees you.

I know in parts of the video the seachem badge looks green but that is just lighting, with light and testing it is 0

 

[Humblefish]

@eatbreakfast @evolved

 

[rpeters]

Spinal injury. They often behave as if a weight is tied to the end of their tail

@4FordFamily jumped back to my thread from the other so I'm not hijacking it. I assume if this is the case there is nothing one can do? mine swims pointing up unless he is swimming down and he points down and spins in circles. If i turn a powerhead on he will get thrown around like a rag doll

 

[4FordFamily]

@4FordFamily jumped back to my thread from the other so I'm not hijacking it. I assume if this is the case there is nothing one can do? mine swims pointing up unless he is swimming down and he points down and spins in circles. If i turn a powerhead on he will get thrown around like a rag doll

I’d need a video to be more help.

 

[Maritimer]

Your lad doesn't look like a typical spinal injury, though I couldn't rule it out. It does seem as though he's got some sort of neurological issue going on, possibly a parasite affecting his nervous system.

@4FordFamily - video is above, in post #23. Tight circling behaviour, with weak control.

~Bruce

 

[4FordFamily]

Your lad doesn't look like a typical spinal injury, though I couldn't rule it out. It does seem as though he's got some sort of neurological issue going on, possibly a parasite affecting his nervous system.

@4FordFamily - video is above, in post #23. Tight circling behaviour, with weak control.

~Bruce

Mixed this with different thread, good call.

I concur.

 

[rpeters]

I started coppersafe lastnight but not looking promising as this morning he is just laying there and the flow of a tiny HOB filter or an air stone just have him tumbling through tank if he gets in their path. still have 2 more doses to get to level

 

[rpeters]

new video this morning.

 

[4FordFamily]

new video this morning.

I can’t get it to play on my phones but I looked at a lot of stills — I see leopards doing this a lot on their way out. I can’t rule out swim bladder but this fish is behaving as if it has an internal injury, internal parasites, etc. I wish the video would work on my iPhone, I’ve reloaded the thread and video several times now :/

Update both videos now work for me on my 10th try!

 

[4FordFamily]

So the little guy continues to be more active but still appears to have issues swimming and when laying down tends to lay on his side.
The more I dig I wonder if this might be some type of swim bladder and curious of others thoughts and recommendation to his current issue. attached is a video that shows pretty much what all of his swimming looks like.
I had to leave lights out as he will go lay down if they are on and he sees you.

I know in parts of the video the seachem badge looks green but that is just lighting, with light and testing it is 0

This video worked for me this time. That doesn’t look like swim bladder to me. It could be a spinal injury but in thinking internal trauma or internal parasites, poisoning from poor collection, etc.

If it was swim bladder the fish would generally be far more buoyant.

I’d keep course with antibiotics and keep lights low and water quality high for low stress.

 

[Deinonych]

This video worked for me this time. That doesn’t look like swim bladder to me. It could be a spinal injury but in thinking internal trauma or internal parasites, poisoning from poor collection, etc.

If it was swim bladder the fish would generally be far more buoyant.

I’d keep course with antibiotics and keep lights low and water quality high for low stress.

I agree with the spinal injury diagnosis. I've had a wrasse behave almost exactly like this when they hit their head on a hard surface. Swim bladder usually manifests with the fish swimming head down, struggling to keep from floating upward.

 

[Maritimer]

You know ... I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but there's a disease that's common in hatchery-reared trout called "whirling disease", and the symptoms look very like this fellow's behavior.

I don't know much about the thing, and it's not one of the "usual suspects", but . . .

~Bruce

 

[rpeters]

You know ... I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but there's a disease that's common in hatchery-reared trout called "whirling disease", and the symptoms look very like this fellow's behavior.

I don't know much about the thing, and it's not one of the "usual suspects", but . . .

~Bruce

Thanks Bruce, did some searching on that and it appears they have a visible deformed tail section which i don't see but will keep an eye on him and see what else i can find out about it.

 

[cmcoker]

Thanks Bruce, did some searching on that and it appears they have a visible deformed tail section which i don't see but will keep an eye on him and see what else i can find out about it.

Bruce's post reminded me of this write up, from the university of Florida, I came across when I bought a spinning wrasse..
It describes a loss of buoyancy and spiraling or spinning swimming pattern associated with a streptococcal infection. View attachment FA05700 (2).pdf

 

[rpeters]

Well after 3+ weeks, the second of three additions of coppersafe did him in. Thanks to all for your help. Service will follow his second freshwater dip

 

[4FordFamily]

Well after 3+ weeks, the second of three additions of coppersafe did him in. Thanks to all for your help. Service will follow his second freshwater dip

Sorry for your loss...

 

[Humblefish]

Sorry you lost him

 

[Centurio]

Sorry for your loss, but thanks for being a reefer that respects and endeavors to do the best possible job for the animals we take responsibility for. Very impressed with the dedication and care you showed. Good example for us all.