Naso tang emergency

[MoH]

I’ll grab some water for before tomorrow’s change and send to ICP test but it will take days for me to get some results

thanks for helping I’ll keep you posted.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I’ll grab some water for before tomorrow’s change and send to ICP test but it will take days for me to get some results

I'm just reading through this thread from overnight:

The information sticky is here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/s...sease-treatment-and-diagnosis-section.775547/

The naso doesn't have cyanide poisoning - the timeline is too long and naso are caught in barrier nets, not with cyanide.

I don't think that ICP testing will show you anything relating to this problem. If the water quality was bad enough to cause a fish to become moribund, then all of the fish (and invertebrates) would also be affected.

Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Cyanide can have long term effects as well as short term
I have noticed reading retail publications that cyanide is used less and less in the industry except in poorer countries such as Jakarta, Fiji and Samoa.
Overall your collection of food looked good but still missing a few essentials but not why the Naso reached this point

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Cyanide can have long term effects as well as short term
I have noticed reading retail publications that cyanide is used less and less in the industry except in poorer countries such as Jakarta, Fiji and Samoa.
Overall your collection of food looked good but still missing a few essentials but not why the Naso reached this point

Just to clarify, Fiji doesn’t use cyanide. Walt Smith is the exporter there, and he is a strong net collector user. American Samoa is similar. The primary cyanide regions are Indonesia, Philippines, with Eritrea, Cook Islands and Vietnam being suspect.
My long term cyanide studies indicate that almost all of the mortality from this happens in the first 45 days upon arrival in the US.
Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Just to clarify, Fiji doesn’t use cyanide. Walt Smith is the exporter there, and he is a strong net collector user. American Samoa is similar. The primary cyanide regions are Indonesia, Philippines, with Eritrea, Cook Islands and Vietnam being suspect.
My long term cyanide studies indicate that almost all of the mortality from this happens in the first 45 days upon arrival in the US.
Jay

Article in reef aquarists A year or two ago listed those countries as users of cyanide unless it has changed over the last year or so?
I do remember Philippines listed

 

[MoH]

Cyanide can have long term effects as well as short term
I have noticed reading retail publications that cyanide is used less and less in the industry except in poorer countries such as Jakarta, Fiji and Samoa.
Overall your collection of food looked good but still missing a few essentials but not why the Naso reached this point

what food should I be adding? Also I have more frozen foods just didn’t pull everything out of the freezer... let me know what might be something I should add.

 

[MoH]

Just to clarify, Fiji doesn’t use cyanide. Walt Smith is the exporter there, and he is a strong net collector user. American Samoa is similar. The primary cyanide regions are Indonesia, Philippines, with Eritrea, Cook Islands and Vietnam being suspect.
My long term cyanide studies indicate that almost all of the mortality from this happens in the first 45 days upon arrival in the US.
Jay

this fish was with me for longer then that period

 

[fishguy242]

hi,how is naso,other fish in dt?

 

[MoH]

Naso tang did not make it.

 

[fishguy242]

sorry to hear,how about other fish in tank,pics?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Article in reef aquarists A year or two ago listed those countries as users of cyanide unless it has changed over the last year or so?
I do remember Philippines listed

I sent Walt a message asking him about this, but I suspect the article was incorrect in regards to Fiji. For Samoa, I have not heard of cyanide use there, but with their polical changes, maybe? I’ve researched cyanide collection since 1981, but it is a dynamic system and things do change. Barnett Shutman in the PI is working hard to improve fish out of there...so it isn’t all bad news.
Jay

 

[MoH]

It’s a little too early for me to fire up the lights in the tank they normally don’t kick on for another 3 hours. I opened up the blinds to let some light into the room so fish start getting more active. I’ll turn on lights early and send pics soon.

 

[fishguy242]

I sent Walt a message asking him about this, but I suspect the article was incorrect in regards to Fiji. For Samoa, I have not heard of cyanide use there, but with their polical changes, maybe? I’ve researched cyanide collection since 1981, but it is a dynamic system and things do change. Barnett Shutman in the PI is working hard to improve fish out of there...so it isn’t all bad news.
Jay

the good news is indo,really cracking down,tighting up ship,as best as can

 

[MoH]

I don’t know much about this cyanide topic but it’s prob more likely that me the hobbyist made a mistake vs a bad collection that could have been maybe 3 months ago at this point

 

[fishguy242]

exactly ,mute case rt now,the other fish in your tank are of most concern

 

[MoH]

Would pics of then deceased fish help in ID of what might have happened? If not I’ll be burying him soon. Let me know if that is something that is helpful to any of the experts

 

[fishguy242]

yes may be important to dr. hang tight on burying, @Jay Hemdal

 

[MoH]

Aquarium Parameters:
Aquarium type: Reef
Aquarium water volume - not forsure with rocks and all about 150G
Filtration type - skimmer, mechanical, biological media, weekly water changes
Lighting - hybrid ATI bulbs and XR15 LED
How long has the aquarium been established? Rock and media is 4 years maybe tank was upgraded earlier this year
Digital image of the aquarium under white light sending soon

Water quality (be sure to indicate what measurement units you are using)
Temperature - ranges 78.3-79.5
pH: ranges 8-8.38 avg 8.29
Salinity / specific gravity 1.025
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10-20
Phosphorus 11 ppb
Copper - I don’t have a test for this
Other - ORP ranges 315-350

 

[vetteguy53081]

Dead fish pic won’t do much unless it is taken shortly after death

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

While a picture *might* show something, there is something else you can do: take a look at the fish’s gills and either take a picture, or say if they look white, pink or red. Then put the body in a container of freshwater for ten minutes. Then look at the bottom of the container for any dead flukes.
Jay