New tank New iLLness

[Reef Racket]

I just set up my new RedSea Reefer S-1000 which is about 240 gallons of water volume. I Added all the tangs at once and then waited to add all the wrasse at once.
Parameters look fine. I believe this is a bacterial infection but any insight or help will be greatly appreciated. I haven’t added corals so I’m free to treat with any med and dose as needed.

I see this on maybe 2 others they are dark blotches but some white in there as well. I’ve done a full dose of SeaChem Kanaplex so far but that is all.
Any idea @JayHemdal @Jay Hemdal

 

[Reef Racket]

Here are some other pictures but not as bad.

 

[saltyfins]

could you please take pictures in white, not blue lighting?

 

[bReefedBaker]

Do your lights turn white? You don’t have to turn them white, but it’ll help.

 

[Reef Racket]

 

[Reef Racket]

Do your lights turn white? You don’t have to turn them white, but it’ll help.

Sorry about the blues

 

[bReefedBaker]

Sorry about the blues

Don’t be sorry, the blue spectrum is a great way to keep algae at bay. Just click the lights to white and snap all the best pictures you can, then switch back to the blues. (white lights for pics. asking for help with diagnosis) We’re here for ya and you’ll see.

 

[bReefedBaker]

There’s definitely a parasite outbreak, but I can’t pinpoint the exact terminology nor do I want to say something if I don’t have the correct response. I read your post stating you added all the tangs at once and then all the wrasses at once after the tangs (I’m thinking some stress was seriously placed on the fish) all the fish were placed into a new environment and not one fish was able to claim “its area”.

It won’t be long until some solid answers start rolling in. At the end of your post you stated “I haven’t added corals so I’m free to treat with any med and dose as needed” that’s where you’re wrong. Please don’t just start dumping chemicals into your tank. There’s certain medical chemicals you don’t want in your display i.e. Copper. Do you have a QT (hospital tank)?

 

[Reef Racket]

What I meant was if immediate treatment is need I have the option to dose in the display so i don’t need to worry about if the treatment is “reef safe” or not I just want the best medication for the job. LFS advised these are “Flukes” as they seem to be spreading quiet quickly. They suggested using General Cure with Paraguard….

 

[Reef Racket]

There’s definitely a parasite outbreak, but I can’t pinpoint the exact terminology nor do I want to say something if I don’t have the correct response. I read your post stating you added all the tangs at once and then all the wrasses at once after the tangs (I’m thinking some stress was seriously placed on the fish) all the fish were placed into a new environment and not one fish was able to claim “its area”.

It won’t be long until some solid answers start rolling in. At the end of your post you stated “I haven’t added corals so I’m free to treat with any med and dose as needed” that’s where you’re wrong. Please don’t just start dumping chemicals into your tank. There’s certain medical chemicals you don’t want in your display i.e. Copper. Do you have a QT (hospital tank)?

What I meant was if immediate treatment is need I have the option to dose in the display so i don’t need to worry about if the treatment is “reef safe” or not I just want the best medication for the job. LFS advised these are “Flukes” as they seem to be spreading quiet quickly. They suggested using General Cure with Paraguard….

 

[Reef Racket]

Don’t be sorry, the blue spectrum is a great way to keep algae at bay. Just click the lights to white and snap all the best pictures you can, then switch back to the blues. (white lights for pics. asking for help with diagnosis) We’re here for ya and you’ll see.

could you please take pictures in white, not blue lighting?

Both LFS’s said flukes?? Thanks for you guys’ help!

 

[Reef Racket]

Any other suggestions? I think I’m just going to treat with General Cure and feed Metroplex soaked food for now? I have a bunch of PraziPro on hand in case that doesn’t work. Not a fan of Paraguard and I’ve heard that it’s bad for the beneficial bacteria.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

These pictures show bruising and a torn fin - possibly from handling, but more likely from the tangs swiping at each other. They may or may not settle down with time.
If the tangs weren’t quarantined there is a really good chance that the PBT will break with ich. They so often do….
What I would do is treat the tank with Prazipro now, to deal with possible flukes. Then, monitor for ich, and if you see it, go with hyposalinity right away.
Jay

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Don’t use Paraguard on a marine tank, it has a dismal record. Don’t soak food in metro - the dose for that needs to be 5000 ppm, and at that level, it is so bitter, the fish won’t eat it.
Jay

 

[Reef Racket]

These pictures show bruising and a torn fin - possibly from handling, but more likely from the tangs swiping at each other. They may or may not settle down with time.
If the tangs weren’t quarantined there is a really good chance that the PBT will break with ich. They so often do….
What I would do is treat the tank with Prazipro now, to deal with possible flukes. Then, monitor for ich, and if you see it, go with hyposalinity right away.
Jay

Thank you! I went ahead and treated with API General Cure which contains both prazi and metro. Do you think this will suffice? I don’t want to add more prazi until I see the effects of the GC. What is PBT? @Jay Hemdal

 

[Reef Racket]

And… it’s Back!!

It seems I dealing with more than one issue here. The first photo looks like it may be ICH however, that poor tang has been getting picked on by my clown tang so I’m thinking a lot of those spots could be nips. Some spots are much larger than most ich as you can see in the moorish idol. It almost looks like Lymph but I know that is a “secondary” condition and may not be the primary issue.
The yellow tang in the second photo looks to have some kind of bacterial infection which I think is the primary issue here as you can see the white masses on fins and tails of ever fish showing any kind of signs or symptoms.
Initially I was treating the tank for flukes so I treated as stated above!
The black spots on the Naso tang were much worse before I treated with Prazi and Metro. I also began treating with Kanaplex which also seemed to help the tank as a whole.
@Jay Hemdal im Having the hardest time trying to pinpoint this and being a 210 gallon tank with many fish, catching and QT is not an option for me. I only have a few corals so I’m prepared to treat the entire DT however possible with whatever is needed. Suggestions or thoughts?
Is @Humblefish still around? Would love some ideas for a treatment that will not destroy my live rock and sand like copper….

 

[Reef Racket]

Also, the first picture of the fowleri tang is the worst case by far! Some tangs are showing no signs at all and the wrasses in the tank look absolutely fine. So confused here..

 

[Kaboobie]

I see an assortment of issues most likely all related to aggression and stress as the fish all try to find a balance in this new environment. You also introduced a bunch of fish all at once to a new system that adds added stress as the filtration balances out. Likely some ich and some wounds with bacterial infections. If you can't catch them all I would remove the corals and any inverts to a QT tank if possible and treat the tank as recommended above. I would prepare yourself mentally for the possibility of losing a couple grand in fish if things turn quickly, not trying to be a jerk here or point fingers and what not just my honest advice.

 

[Reef Racket]

thing is, most of the fish are fine and the fish that are showing signs are still eating just fine, the prazi and metro relived alot of the spots but its the White fins like on the yellow tang im unsure about.... i guess after the second round of prazi ill go hypo... ?

 

[Reef Racket]

I doesnt seem to be ich, ive never had an issue with flukes before but, do they cause similar white spots that are more flat and cloudy compared to small and bumpy? ive dealt with ich many times and this just doesnt seem like ich to me. only one fish could pass for ich imo and that would be the fowleri tang in the first photo.