Not sure what to do, reef in distress

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So I'm not sure what's going on with my tank. Absolutely nothing makes sense and it has me banging my head against a wall as I watch all the coral deteriorate. This is my second time setting up a SW reef tank and I dont remember having these issues last time. Had some corals I couldn't keep and it drove me nuts but never an overall tank decline.

Background, tank was set up with fully cycled dry rock about 10 months ago. Used kessil LEDs from day 1 and never had a nutrient spike since the rock was cycled in a tote for close to a year. Added fish and corals and everything did great and grew for 7 months. Minor setbacks with ich where I went fallow and had some algae uglies but nothing serious.

I've used RODI from day 1 and started with coralife salt but switched to liveaquaria salt when fosterandsmith closed. Did 5 to 10 gallon WC weekly or biweekly to reach about 50% monthly. Ive had ALK and CA dosers set up for the whole time the tanks been up and my levels have been fairly steady. My fish are healthy pigs and my million snails reproduce and grow with minimal losses. My pod population seems healthy and they crawl all over the sandbed and glass.

Now the problem. About a month ago I noticed corals kinda stopped growing and my birdsnest colony had dead tips. Everything continued to test good but nutrients had always tested 0 and 0. Figured they were starving so started reef roids and acropower. Immediately my encrusting monti started to look terrible with bleaching from the center out. Also had some more algae so decided to start the fluconazole treatment after reading 100 pages of the thread and decreased feeding. Within days my corals all looked worse and I thought maybe turning down the lights would help in case they were stressed. Road the treatment for 2 weeks even though things didnt look good trying to be hands off and let stuff work out. Couldn't take it anymore so added carbon back online and did a 30% WC. Kept the lights dimmer than originally set.Doesn't matter, no improvement. Now I've lost the 2 acros, all encrusting and digitata monti have no flesh left, stylos less PE and tissue recession, birdnest half dead with no PE, 1 frogspawn mostly dead with others looking ok but not great extention compared to before. My 2 oldest hammer frags seem ok but not great. My elegance coral, galaxea, psammocora, and mushrooms seem unaffected.

Doesnt make sense as my tank has been the most stable its ever been the past few months.
SG is 1.026-1.027
Ca 460-480 with red sea
Alk 8.6-9.6 with hanna checker
Mag around 1560 with red sea
Nitrates always 0
Phos 0 with the 713 checker, just got the 736 and its reading 16ppb.

Nothing I do helps or stops the decline. I have been unable to spot any pests day or night and dont see how 1 pest would affect so many species of sps and lps but leave my elegance and psamnicora alone. I feel like this is crossroads where I either grow and learn as a reefer or throw in the towel. Its tempting to tear down and start over with TBS liverock and hope for the best.
 
Nitrates and phosphates at zero is probably starving the corals, if you drop your Alk down into the mid 7’s they will be happier with the low nutrients.
Agree^^^^^^. Highly recommend getting nutrients up. Nitrates 10-15 and phosphates .05-.1

Also if you have 16 ppb, you need to convert to ppm. Here is a chart for conversion. I’m assuming your using the Hanna ULR. Save this to your favorites on your phone!
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I agree with all the above. You’ve got some big alk swings. Alk over 9 with 0 No3 or Po4 is an SPS killer. Turn your skimmer off for awhile. Also take carbon and GFO offline until you can get your nutrients up.
Have you ever done an ICP test to check for pollutants?
 
Thanks for the responses everyone. The alk was closer to 7-8 awhile back but when things took a turn I think the corals took less up and the number slowly creeped up. I do not use a skimmer or gfo. A HOB filter with brs carbon and minimal phosguard is my only chemical filtration, rest us all liverock. 46 gallons 3 fish. I feed daily frozen food either LRS or a cube of mysis if I dont have time.
Phosphates I dont know if they were 0 but the the 713 measurement of ppm never read any. First test with the 736 shows 11 ppm which is .03, week later showed 19 which is .05. Nitrates I use api and idk if its 0 or 5 but its low none the less. I tried to feed heavier and thats when the tank really looked worse. I have not done an ICP but was wondering if something got in there.
 
Sorry your going through this @PghReef. At this time I would focus on keeping things stable. As long as your not having more than 1 dkh swing in all then I don't believe it to be an issue. I prefer .5 but I still think your fine. Try to get the nutrients up a bit, slowly and make changes slowly and singly. Don't add any more livestock for now and stay consistent.
 
Sorry your going through this @PghReef. At this time I would focus on keeping things stable. As long as your not having more than 1 dkh swing in all then I don't believe it to be an issue. I prefer .5 but I still think your fine. Try to get the nutrients up a bit, slowly and make changes slowly and singly. Don't add any more livestock for now and stay consistent.
Not adding anything for awhile. need to get more fish maybe this pukani rock is really good eliminating waste.

Food for thought, my first tank used pukani and cycled it in tank so had alot of die off to get nutrients up. I ended up with sandbed cyano issues but never had any other algae problems. This go around the rock was bleached and soaked before cycling in a rubbermaid. Have a lot more algae this go around and all around problems.

Maybe the tank is just to clean causing a cascade of problems I've chased causing a snowball. When I set up the 90 I think i might skip the bleach bath.
 
Nothing I do helps or stops the decline. I have been unable to spot any pests day or night and dont see how 1 pest would affect so many species of sps and lps but leave my elegance and psamnicora alone. I feel like this is crossroads where I either grow and learn as a reefer or throw in the towel. Its tempting to tear down and start over with TBS liverock and hope for the best.


Assuming you're using city water and not a well, could they have added chloramine into the water? I believe in order to get chloramine out you need an extra filter on the RODI.
 
I would have check all your equipments at this time to see any leak or rusting like power heads or magnetic holders ect... to see if there any problem cause leaking or cracked because those are killer in silence.
 
It also may be worth taking your water to get tested at an LFS. Maybe a test kit went funky and you have an invisible issue.
 
I would have check all your equipments at this time to see any leak or rusting like power heads or magnetic holders ect... to see if there any problem cause leaking or cracked because those are killer in silence.

Or sunscreen. I saw a guy that had a tank almost crash because he switched to a different brand of sunscreen that had the coral-killer in it.
 
Assuming you're using city water and not a well, could they have added chloramine into the water? I believe in order to get chloramine out you need an extra filter on the RODI.
I have the BRS 6 stage for cholaramines. I do have city water but it should be safe after the unit, havnt used anything but the rodi. I did replace the membrane, all cartridges, and resin in october
 
I would have check all your equipments at this time to see any leak or rusting like power heads or magnetic holders ect... to see if there any problem cause leaking or cracked because those are killer in silence.
Good call l didnt think of that. Wouldn't trace metal poisoning cause mass snail deaths to though? They're breeding and well so unaffected.
I do check all equipment biweekly 3 mp10, a heater, and a hob filter. The 1 wetside was cracked and showed rust, replaced it a month or more ago. Was about 7 years old others are all less than 1 year.
 
Or sunscreen. I saw a guy that had a tank almost crash because he switched to a different brand of sunscreen that had the coral-killer in it.
I live in the north, never use sunscreen. Could be some kind of contaminate though. I wont go in the tank after handling gas and try and be careful but doesnt mean it cant happen. I always ran carbon 24/7 to try and help mitigate that risk.
 
Never checked iodine level, dont think I dose anything with iodine. Maybe an ICP is in order
I already had some corals tissue problems and fixed it almost instantly via adding iodine , especially if you have a full tank. I suggest you have a read :)
Cheers
 

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