Outbreak of parasite, losing fish, please help

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This began a week ago Friday, my AC unit froze up as Middle Georgia began going into the upper 80's lower 90's. The tank temperature increased to 82 from the usual 78-79. ( Heater and two CPU fans are controlled via APEX and typically maintains a fluctuation of no more than 0.50 degree.) Saturday morning I awoke to find my trio of Sunburst Anthias dying. Each one about an hour apart, swimming erratically with difficulty breathing. Out of sympathy and knowing nothing could be done, they were euthanized. I was puzzled due to the lack of any markings on the bodies or outward appearance. I began feeding frozen foods soaked with Metro and Kanaplex to stave off any thing that may occur. Wednesday I noticed that my Fowler's surgeon and Magnificent foxface both had a few irregular white spots. Recalling that before the Sunburst's were released from store QT that a fish had flukes, I thought it was a possibility and treated the DT with PraziPro. (The Sunburst's had been held in QT for a month with no signs of disease, so I foolishly added them to my DT without further QT.) Thursday I had to leave town for 3 days due to cataract surgery. Leaving my wife to watch what was unfolding. She called me each day saying she noticed a few more spots. When I returned on Sunday, the Fowler's, Golden Dwarf angel and a Lytetail anthia were all deceased. I have since set up a hospital tank and moved the foxface, Hooded wrasse, Angulatus wrasse, Diamond goby, Mandarin and Darwin clown pair. The DT still has my two leopard wrasses, a Potter's and a Black. I have been unable to trap them. This morning, my female clown passed. The pair has been with me for almost 9yrs. My Fowler's over 4yrs. This is just heart wrenching.

The hospital tank has a 406 Fluval canister filter and a Tunze 6055 powerhead, along with a 500w heater. It is bare bottom and is an old 58g Oceanic tank that I had setting around not in use. I filled it 2/3 of the way with display water and the remaining with newly made saltwater. Added cupramine to it to begin treatment as well as Stability to assist in bio filter production. I have a copper test kit on the way and a ammonia badge. I was unable to get either locally. The only test kit I could locally was an API, and I have read that they are not accurate enough for use with non-chelated copper. Ammonia this morning showed about 0.25 with a Salifert kit, so I will make up new saltwater to reduce that. (Probably about 15g) The remaining fish in the hospital tank look horrible and I am afraid they will not survive. I have ordered CP to use as well once the copper is out of the system and for the future, but I fear its too late.

My general thought is that the parasite was in the gills of the Sunburst's and when they became stressed due to the increased temperature it manifested itself within the DT. From there it has struck like wildfire and my absence has made it so much worse. I will be setting up a QT and CP will be used in the future to treat all new arrivals. It will be smaller than the 58g though as this was used as there were so many fish and the size of some that required it.

The two leopards that have not been moved still look and act well. I have noticed a bit of glancing and maybe a small spot on a fin. I am afraid that when they are trapped and moved that they will become more ill in the hospital system due to the stress and ammonia. I also realize that the DT needs to go fallow. At this point, any thoughts would be appreciated. I am beside myself with grief because I know that this is my fault and it could have been prevented. I believe that I have read through every thread concerning the disease and QT but maybe someone has an idea that is unique to this situation.
 
Your time line and amount of fish loss sound more like velvet than ich... Do you have any pics?
 
I don't have any photo's, but I believe it to be velvet truthfully. The male clown has the "snowed" upon appearance and the foxface has huge scars where they have fallen off.
 
I was able to catch a quick iPhone photo of the foxface.
Sorry, I know these aren't the best.

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Are those white spots Ich?
Personally, I'm not positive. I'm leaning towards velvet.

I'm not sure of an id with the pics, @Humblefish or @melypr1985 would be better to say for sure...

Have you read Humblefishs velvet thread?

I would follow that protocol anyway as it would work on ich or velvet.
https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?threads/217570/

Good luck. I know this is horrible to go through [emoji53]

Yes, I have. His write ups are full of great info. If I had not misdiagnosed this first as flukes and began collecting the fish and getting them to a hospital tank the outcome may not be as bleak. Now......
It was through his articles that I found out about CP and its uses. I have an order on the way, but it may not be of any assistance for these poor guys.
 
These diseases are why I quarintine, so many have similar symptoms or the tell tell symptoms come when it's 2 late. That's what drives me crazy.
 
As it does me. I trust very few stores and only buy from a certain few. Since returning to the hobby in '06 I haven't an outbreak of any sort. I treat with frozen foods with medications upon receiving them and at any sign of stress or issue. That's what makes this so devastating. The last time that I had ich / velvet was in the late '90's. UGH! :(
 
Ouch. That looks an awful lot like what just decimated my 240g. I actually think mine was Ich and Brook (of all things, not having any clownfish). Good luck!
 
Ouch. That looks an awful lot like what just decimated my 240g. I actually think mine was Ich and Brook (of all things, not having any clownfish). Good luck!
Thank you. I'm sorry for your loss as well. I've been through this what seems like a lifetime ago, with a FOWLR system. Watching your fish drop daily is truly horrifying.
 
Thank you. I'm sorry for your loss as well. I've been through this what seems like a lifetime ago, with a FOWLR system. Watching your fish drop daily is truly horrifying.
100% agree. I dropped out due to this before. Just recently hit a point again myself, as I've looked back over the last year and what I've gotten through qt at what I haven't. No more fish splurging until I find what I want. It's depressing to say the least.
 
Thank you. I'm sorry for your loss as well. I've been through this what seems like a lifetime ago, with a FOWLR system. Watching your fish drop daily is truly horrifying.
I lost a tank full of fish about 15 years ago as well. It is no fun. I hope your scenario goes better. I made two foolish moves this time. First was putting a non-QT'd fish in that came from a LFS owner's home tank that he had for years and was supposedly disease-free. My second mistake was seeing the Ich spots and thinking "it's not so bad, maybe it will subside and I'll go the "management" route". It got bad fast after that and it was all over for most fish at that point. I've got a Purple Tang in QT as my sole survivor. I'm rooting for ya!
 
You need to treat all the fish.Yes, keep DT fishless for around3 months, When you get your test kit, adjust your copper to correct levels. Keep plenty of fresh saltwater on hand and add your cupramine to that also,when changing water.Oh you can also drop your salinity to 1.019 and as low as 1.009
 
I just recovered for valvet very difficult to tel the difference the pics look like ich ,.. Though valvet is somehow more like snow... You can test with microscope and some pics from Internet... There are some verousius ick streighns.,... Velvet needs no reason to kill perfect water Quality and they will drop like flies,..
 
In your picture the dots are pretty small, so I'm going to lean toward velvet as well. Especially with the time line stemming from the temp increase. Your already doing what you need to do for your fish. When the CP (by the way where did you order it from? Not all CP is reliable) gets there you can use that on the leopards if your afraid to use copper on them. Get the tank fallow as soon as you can and let it run the full 76 days just to be safe. Sorry for your troubles :(

Edit to add: I would like to know when the last time you added anything wet to the tank was.
 
For the leopards couldn't he ttm every 12 hours since they are sensitive? Hate even bringing this method up.
 

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