OZONE.........

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So you don't have to run it 24/7....... interesting.
What kind of tang was it that you suspect the ozone might contribute to the HLLE?

A hippo tang with normal looking HLLE and a yellow tang that was losing the "webbing" between its dorsal spines (which others have reported as a form of HLLE). It was otherwise quite healthy seeming.

My current yellow tang has no such issues.

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Thanks Randy.
As it's not proven that Ozone can be the cause of that is it just not good to use it for the over all health of fish or are we just talking Tangs here?
Any one else that want to chime on on the use of Ozone and fish health.
 
Thanks Randy.
As it's not proven that Ozone can be the cause of that is it just not good to use it for the over all health of fish or are we just talking Tangs here?
Any one else that want to chime on on the use of Ozone and fish health.

I've only heard of it associated with possible HLLE in tangs and related species. All my other fish were fine. Clowns (ocellaris and pink skunk) were spawning as always.
 
Question to Ozone pro.. I start using it since last week for 5 hours a day during full light spectrum and i notice that my skimmer foam dropped as soon as ozone kicks in. What cause of it? And i run Ozone way under value for my 400g total water value...
 
I really want to run a ozone generator into my tank but wifey wont let me unless I install a ozone monitor unit with alarm, Just in case there was a failure in the equipment and started filling the whole house with ozone. The monitor units aren't cheap at all. They cost more then the actual ozone generator.

(I got kids, That's her concern)
 
Question to Ozone pro.. I start using it since last week for 5 hours a day during full light spectrum and i notice that my skimmer foam dropped as soon as ozone kicks in. What cause of it? And i run Ozone way under value for my 400g total water value...

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-03/rhf/index.php#11

from it:

Oxidation of Organics by Ozone: Skimming and Nutrients

Another result of breaking some organics into smaller, more hydrophilic bits (Figure 3 and 4) is that it often increases their bacterial biodegradability.27-29 Therefore, the ozone may need only to start the degradation process, and bacteria in the aquarium can finish off the organics by uptake and metabolism. Large humic acid molecules, for example, are converted by ozonation into smaller fragments that are more readily taken up and metabolized.29 This process may, in fact, be why some aquarists report drops in nutrient levels after initiating ozone. It is not because ozone directly impacts either nitrate or phosphate (it does not react directly with either), but the newly bioavailable organics may drive bacterial growth, just as adding ethanol (e.g., vodka) or sugar might. The growing bacteria need nitrogen and phosphate, and if they satisfy those needs by taking up nitrate and phosphate, the levels of those nutrients in the water may drop. That effect, however, may be only temporary as the initial burst of new bioavailable organics winds down, and a new stable state is reached with lower levels of organic material and similar levels of inorganic nutrients.

Skimming is a complex process that has many subtleties. The previous sections have discussed how ozonation modifies organic molecules , and we can then extrapolate how those processes impact skimming. Years ago it was widely claimed that ozone use increased skimming, and I claimed then that I didn't see how that could happen directly. Most organic compounds likely to be found in significant quantities in a reef aquarium will become more polar and likely less skimmable after it reacts with ozone. Figure 3, for example, shows how oleic acid (readily skimmed) gets converted into more polar compounds that will not be so readily skimmed as they will not be as strongly attracted to an air water interface.

A small portion of organic molecules in reef aquarium water may become more skimmable if, for example, they become more hydrophobic after reaction with ozone. They may also become more skimmable if they were totally hydrophobic before ozone and were transformed into molecules with polar and nonpolar parts (called amphiphilic) which more readily absorb onto an air water interface and are skimmed out.

Are there other ways that skimming might be increased besides these two processes? I hypothesized in a previous article that it was due to the growth of bacteria (either in the water itself, or bound to surfaces), and possibly also the release of new organic molecules as they grew, that caused the effects some aquarists observed.

It seems as if the tide of opinion has turned, however, and most aquarists now claim that the amount of skimmate is reduced significantly when using ozone. Many claim that the collection of skimmate has nearly stopped in their aquaria when starting ozone. Why the difference compared to past opinion? That's hard to say, and may depend on the types and qualities of the skimmers available now compared to years ago, as well as changes in other husbandry practices. In any case, the overriding experience of many aquarists today is that skimming is reduced, and the presumed reason is that the organics are being made chemically less skimmable by ozone. The remaining organics would then be removed more by bacterial processes than before the initiation of ozone in the same aquarium.
 
I was running a poseidon 250.
Honestly I wasn't very happy with the unit. Had to have the cell replaced in the first 6 months under warranty.
And the connectors for tubing seemed fragile. They broke or released from their mounts on the inside.
The whole thing just seemed like something built in someone's garage.
I haven't hooked it back up on the new build (running a large Aqua UV this time for clearer water) but if I did I'd be looking for a more professional unit, especially for my tank which is pushing 350g total water volume.

When I was running it, I settled on running it for several hours in the morning after lights on.
I utilized an ORP probe hooked up to my controller to monitor ORP and shut down the ozone if ORP went over 400.
You do have clean the ORP probe once a week or two. As it gets dirty, it starts to read artificially high.
I would notice clearer water and less algae on the glass when it was running.
It ran through ozone safe tubing into my LifeReef skimmer. I did not have carbon on the output of the skimmer.
 
thank you Randy.. Great reading and point taken..I definitely see clearer water and ORP went up , but how this beneficial to my tank only time will tell:)
 
I really want to run a ozone generator into my tank but wifey wont let me unless I install a ozone monitor unit with alarm, Just in case there was a failure in the equipment and started filling the whole house with ozone. The monitor units aren't cheap at all. They cost more then the actual ozone generator.

(I got kids, That's her concern)

Why would you even tell her. My wife doesn't know an ozone generator from a 1957 Oldsmobile. I have been running Ozone, full force 24/7 for over 30 years. Maybe that's why I lost my hair! :eek:
 
I recently resumed using ozone after stopping for a few years. The reason I stopped was because of the difficulty I was having running the water from my skimmer over carbon which is what your supposed to do when you are using ozone. After I installed my new sump a few weeks ago, there was room available for a diy carbon reactor to be installed below the effluent pipe of my skimmer. So now I'm using ozone again. I run it for just a few hours each day in the morning. I don't really care what the ORP value is, but my apex would shut it off if it got too high. Since I started the ozone, I have noticed an improvement in water clarity, and polyp extension seems to be better in my sps corals. I also noticed that both my anemones, a magnifica and a gigantea look larger or more inflated. I don't think the positive effects are due to just better water clarity. I suspect the ozone neutralizes some organic contaminants in the water. Here is a vid of my new sump and setup.
 
Very nice video keeper2! I'm going to watch a few more times...might have a question or two...do you have any other build threads on your system?---Rick
 
If you look at my YouTube channel, you can see the progression from my old tank to the one I have now. I don't have a build thread unfortunately.
 
Lets start one :D...post #1... your vid... looks like you have your system dialed in and made adjustments to improve it...I for one would be interested in your equipment progressions...I'm sure you would get questions for some help from less experienced reefers :)
If you decide to post a thread...please post the link here.
Have a great Sunday---Rick
 
I have been running Ozone non-stop for a couple of decades now. I think its a great assistant to keeping a big fish population clean and healthy. Ozotech makes a great unit but it comes with a big price tag. If you want to dip your foot in the water checkout your favorite shopping website for a Prozone unit. It produces 500mg hr for a reasonable price and with a small foot print.

You want to have a controller of some sort for smaller systems. Mine runs 24/7 probably 90% of the time. But with a smaller system you could put too much in and have an issue.

As for excess bleeding of ozone into your room you don't need any big carbon contraption. You can take a party tumbler, poke some holes in it, fill it with gravel or rubble and run your skimmer effluent through it.

Ozone is very unstable, once it bumps into anything it is very happy to break apart and stop being ozone. Carbon is very porous and provides lots of places for the ozone to bump into.

Ozone reactors are cool devices but they take up more space, another pump, and more $$. For the past 12+ years I have been pumping my ozone into my Deltec 702. I use silicone ozone tubing between the Ozone machine and the venturi input. No damage to the skimmer.

I have also had no issues with ozone use and HLLE. I have over a dozen tangs including Hippos and Purples and all of them are in perfect condition. The Hippos have been in my ozone riddled tank for 3.5+ years and the purple close to 2 years.

Dave B
 
I choose to run the effluent over carbon because according to Randy's article, there are byproducts from the reaction of the ozone and salt water that you don't want to get into your water. The carbon pad I use is a lot more convenient than regular GAC and there is no chance of carbon particulates getting stuck in any of my pumps. I know there are plenty of people that don't bother with this step and I've seen some debate on other forums as to whether it's really necessary. I figure I would rather be safe than sorry and it certainly isn't going to hurt.
 
manyfish...do you have a model # for the unit your using or talking about? Thanks
 

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