People from Florida must read !

Xenia · May 9, 2023

Pls watch this link they are trying to cancel to fish,reptile and tropical bird industrie in Florida if you dont wanna watch it all Skip to around 8 minutes and watch till the end.

in the Netherlands they are trying to get the farmers land in Florida they want the tropical fish breeding land ! Thousands of fish will be banned from the hobby if this lobby gets their way

Florida trying to ban the tropical fish,reptiles and birds

drawman · May 10, 2023

Bump. Surprised this isn't getting more traction unless there is another thread.

timry2 · May 10, 2023

Where do you start, this goes beyond just a conversation. I’ve been in the hobby for over 35 years and having a large choice of fish that were adaptable to my level of skill was detrimental to my success. If they ban a large quantity of fish and the list is comprised mostly of hard to keep fish the supply will quickly turn into a dark unregulated market. Then we will begin to see species decline. The video makes sense but man how do you convey the message from two hippies. I know the younger generation will glance at the video for 5 seconds and say nope not for me and not watch it completely.

Aiptaisia anemone · May 10, 2023

does this include corals? if not then...

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

Aiptaisia anemone said:
does this include corals? if not then...

It started with reptiles about 4 years ago and no one paid any attention. Petitions (over 100,000) did nothing! Corals will most certainly be banned as well after the tropical fish ban quiets down.

GatorGreg · May 10, 2023

legionofdoon said:
It started with reptiles about 4 years ago and no one paid any attention. Petitions (over 100,000) did nothing! Corals will most certainly be banned as well after the tropical fish ban quiets down.

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.

timry2 · May 10, 2023

So how do we get these young people excited.

GatorGreg · May 10, 2023

timry2 said:
So how do we get these young people excited.

Very few young folks are interested in hobbies and things like this anymore.

GatorGreg · May 10, 2023

Aiptaisia anemone said:
not helping that reefers are gate keeping the hobby too.

In what way?

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

timry2 said:
So how do we get these young people excited.

My kids had everyone they know sign the petition, it did zero good.

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

N-A-S-O said:
Very few young people can afford this hobby. It all began with LEDs and then insanely priced coral. I don't dislike LEDs. I'm just saying that's where the greed began with vendors and hobbyists.

That's not true, the reptile hobby is just as expensive, and my children are very enthusiastic about that. Regardless you can still set up a tank on the cheap if you know how to read.

Gatorpa · May 10, 2023

legionofdoon said:
It started with reptiles about 4 years ago and no one paid any attention. Petitions (over 100,000) did nothing! Corals will most certainly be banned as well after the tropical fish ban quiets down.

Why do you think corals will be banned?

Certainly there is an issue with some invasive species, pythons, lion fish etc.

Seems like most of the fish in the trade pose no threat to take over and would not be subject to banning.

I wonder what ORA’s take on this is…

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

GatorGreg said:
Very good point. But I’ll play

Pot is pretty expensive. So are vapes, apple products designer clothing and going to the club. But the young folks around my area have plenty of funding for that. Priorities my friend.

I do agree with you that our economy is in shambles. I’m enjoying the hobby and finer things in life while I can. I don’t expect our American experiment to last much longer for ANY of us.

Best way to insulate from inflation is to buy as much stuff as you can before the price goes up. Your fiat savings will be absolutely destroyed

GatorGreg · May 10, 2023

Gatorpa said:
Why do you think corals will be banned?

Certainly there is an issue with some invasive species, pythons, lion fish etc.

Seems like most of the fish in the trade pose no threat to take over and would not be subject to banning.

I wonder what ORA’s take on this is…

Because “they” never stop at what the initial proposal is. It’s always worse and worse and worse.

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

Gatorpa said:
Why do you think corals will be banned?

Certainly there is an issue with some invasive species, pythons, lion fish etc.

Seems like most of the fish in the trade pose no threat to take over and would not be subject to banning.

I wonder what ORA’s take on this is…

Because they aren't talking about reptiles anymore it's basically any critter besides a dog or cat that can survive in Florida. It's Australian level thinking

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

Also the FWC could care less about ORA.

legionofdoon · May 10, 2023

Ora is located in my county. I guarantee if you do a random sampling of residents if they know what ORA is it'd be maybe 1% who knew. Which means no pull whatsoever.

Chui · May 10, 2023

legionofdoon said:
Because they aren't talking about reptiles anymore it's basically any critter besides a dog or cat that can survive in Florida. It's Australian level thinking

Can you please explain what Australian level thinking is?

aws2266 · May 11, 2023

Florida has some big problems when it comes to invasive species, so it's no wonder they are taking such drastic steps. Maybe if people in the hobby would speak up when they see their friends doing something detrimental we wouldn't be in this position. Also, in all these videos talking about this bill, I've never once seen someone link to it. Could be because it's not the end of the world like some people are making it out to be.

NCsalt · May 11, 2023

I’m sure its fine, just like when they first started talking about restrictions in Hawaii, or when my state’s wildlife management closed the season on our number one recreationally caught sustenance fish for 10 years!