Perry's 50Gallon AIO Waterbox Cube

Quick update:
I did add the following frags in trade:
1. Homewrecker
2. WD
3. RR Pink Cadillac
4. Goblin Anacropora
5. Cali Tort
6. Crazy bright shortcake like acro
7. Chalice of some sort
Will add a pic or 2 :)
 
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Hello and many thanks!
Firstly, if you are using Probiotic Salt, make sure the skimmer is running 24/7, set to dry skimm, and keep those changes at or around 10%. The idea is that the Probiotics create a bio mass that consumes N&P, skimmer removes. Without skimmer, no removal, and oxygen levels can drop, thus ph reduction. As far as using Pro Bio S and NP Pro, I would in fact use these, but this is where control comes into play. You can dose every other day, 1/2 dose, what ever suits your test results and desired levels. I always believe in less, when most use 1/2, I use 1/4. For example, I recently removed Zeomix, as I only have 3 fish right now, I find unnecessary, and perhaps dangerous in over stripping the water. As my reef expands, and I cannot really expand equipment due to space constraints, I may opt to add bio media, and perhaps zeo mix, but for now, my bio load is low. Remember, the heart of the Probiotic Method is using bacteria and a carbon source to feed it, this is how you control your levels, as long as a good skimmer is in play, dialed to dry, you should be able to keep nutrients low and stable depending on import and export of feedings.
As far as Comp 123, your dosing is to be set depending on alk absorption, I believe it is Comp2 that contains the alk, this determines set points for the other 2 bottles dosed. Balling needs this linear dosing in order to dial in the proper levels for calcification, it takes time, and my best advice is make sure you have the big 3 exactly where you want them to begin. I would begin by testing daily at the same time, figuring out absorption rate. If you see a climb in CA and MG, which is normal, then I would dial doser down on all 3 components, and side dose alk. This seems to be the #1 problem most encounter when trying to dial in the program. That all being said, this leads me to making your own. This is best, as you can use less CA and MG powders until this perfect linear uptake is met. It does happen, but more often than not, most quit because it is unlike typical A&B dosing, and making the commitment to dosing linear is not something willing to do.
As far as Aquavitro Fuel, this may be something similar to Nitra Phos Minus by AF, I have been using very sparingly, but again, Pro Bio S and NP Pro, based on my bio load, are doing the job, based on my feedings, skimmer production, and nutrient levels desired. I do not use daily dosing of either, I have recently been using every other day at 1/2 dose.
My main advice is keep it as simple as you can, use only products that you have been carefully observing and testing.
Cheers :)

Thank you for taking the time. Looking forward to aquaforest products gave me the extra faith for sure!


Good luck with new frags!
 
Hey guys,
So, it has been forever since I have updated. I have been regrouping with this tank, as I could never really dial in the Kessil with the Aquatic Life Fixture. I did decide to move all corals back to the 50 gallon display, and now am just running one tank, mixed, with all my corals. As far as SPS goes, I lost most, but have recently revived the WD and the RR Pink Caddy. The display is still running AF salt, Pro Bio S, NP Pro, Bio Fil, and the AEBV coral supplements. I also added a 2" sand bed, no longer running the tank bb.
As far as lighting goes, I decided to move back to metal halide, so this tank is now using a single SE halide Pendant, using a Radium 250 watt bulb for six hours a day. I also use the Kessil A360 peaking at 80% blue only. The two together really make for a perfect blend of shimmer and light color pleasing to the eye. Likely a bit white for most, but the corals response has been incredible since the switch. I have added in more SPS and am confident the tank has settled and is getting dialed in.
Video made on recent progress :)

 
Perry,
Good call with the MH.

She looks great and you should be happy.

Thanks for the update and hope to tag along as you go.
 
Looking great buddy! That Halide will definitely help ! I’m still a user and halide fan myself! Great to see an update!
 
Perry,
Good call with the MH.

She looks great and you should be happy.

Thanks for the update and hope to tag along as you go.

Hey Freddie,
Good to see you here :) Monitoring things pretty closely, nitrates are a tad high, will do a larger water change this week. I run nearly identical values on the reef that salt mixes to, thus very little shift in parameters, even with larger water changes. This is key to my approach with this tank, smaller tanks are much less forgiving. :) Cheers!
 
Looking great buddy! That Halide will definitely help ! I’m still a user and halide fan myself! Great to see an update!

Hey buddy! Thanks for the love :) Sometimes proven helps confidence as well, luckily I tinker a lot, lol, so already had this setup on hand. Coral response has been significant! Cheers
 
WOW,
I have not updated here in quite some time.
This tank is still running, but I have never been able to successfully keep SPS in this setup. I have tried several times, but for whatever reason, I cannot seem to get alk to consume, the sps on several occasions did the same thing, they slowly died, tissue faded, then color, then polyps, then death. I have to admit, I think I tried too hard, and one thing I have had to chew on is, stay in your lane, do what works for you, try and not force things. That said, I feel I should update this thread, and show it's current state.
Now, I have tried many systems, different products, and feel that I am moving in a completely different direction with this tank, ultimately, I will probably continue to remove, not add to the technology aspects of this particular reef. So, I am moving in a more simplistic direction, and have made some changes. So here they are:
1. No dosing products, water changes only, now using Tropic Marin Pro Reef salt, was loyal fan of AF, there salt is great, but I did have a funny batch, and wanted to try a new salt, well, the only salt I used in the past, lol, so back to TMP. 10 gallons a week, soon going down to 5 gallons.
2. If any buffering elements need adjusting, I am using ESV to buffer(Alk, Ca, Mg). Simply put, the larger water changes seem to be all I need to keep consistent parameters.
3. Addition of mangroves, they will become a symbiotic part of the reef, both aesthetically and for nutrient uptake. Lately, I begin to wonder do we need protein skimmers, reactors for GAC/GFO. As time goes on, I will likely pull AF Phosphate Minus offline, as well as GAC and protein skimmer. Fortunately, the rock and tank are quite mature, several sponges and tunicates all throughout the tank, Micro life teeming in this setup, despite my inability to keep sps corals.
4. Migration to LPS and soft corals. I still have many from the beginning, so I will have to snap a few pictures to show the current reef. I have fallen in love with these type of corals, and one day, when finances permit, I will start a separate reef for sps only.
5. All hardware the same, lighting is Kessil A360WE starting at 9am to 9PM, ramping to 55% intensity, and 30% color. This light is 14" above water, and serves to grow mangroves as well as light to the tank. I also still use the block2 led set to same height, but running blues and uv only, this light peaks at 80%, and combined with the Kessil produces a beautiful color spectrum and shimmer. Protein skimmer still Aquamaxx WS-1. No other hardware changes.
6. Tank is well fed using PE Mysis, Larry's LRS Frenzy, and Gamma Nutrie Pellets, 2 feedings per day. I have 2 clowns, 2 chromis, a spotted mandarin goby, and cryptic sixline wrasse. I also have 3 peppermint shrimp, as well as a killer CUC. This is where I feel a tank can thrive, so my emphasis is to focus on biology moving forward.

Sorry, a ton of info to update on, but feel it's necessary to share the good, bad, and the ugly. This tank has also suffered from Red Planaria, and likely I have harmed some fish and corals trying to use chemicals, which likely did not hurt the corals and fish, but the die off from the RP likely harmed inhabitants. This is why I added a spotted mandarin goby, which has slowed the infestation and allowed me to put a dent in the population through manual siphoning removal. Thanks for checking things out, and pictures coming soon :)
Cheers!
 
I love reading posts like this, you took a breath and figured out how it can mostly look after itself, let the water be what it is, adjust slowly, no water changes here, not on triton or anything else, considered neglect, corals need nutrients too! ;)

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I love reading posts like this, you took a breath and figured out how it can mostly look after itself, let the water be what it is, adjust slowly, no water changes here, not on triton or anything else, considered neglect, corals need nutrients too! ;)

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Hey buddy, nice acro! Great PE and color :) I have come to realize that this tank can be just as sweet as some of my past acro dominated tanks. I am enjoying the mangrove look, just something different than my past tanks. Personally, when I do setup a sps tank again, it will be well thought out, but as simple as possible. After following Jacek thread, skimmer less sps, and knowing the industry, there are certainly products, and hardware that are not only crazy expensive, but also unnecessary. As I have relaxed, chosen my lane, accepted my limitations, and allowed my reef to just be, the corals and over all health have greatly improved. Thank you very much for posting :) Cheers!
 
No water changes, manual top off for ro, manual dosing, 2 refugiums and a skimmer as required, currently on, view from my desk chair this evening! ;)

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Very nice, and simple, but most importantly successful! So many ways to do this, but I feel these systems can ultimately care for themselves, like a self sufficient eco system. This is my thoughts regarding the addition of mangroves, as the do exactly what a skimmer does in nature. I have been indoctrinated, like many others into a belief that skimmers are a necessary, and that carbon source dosing, with heavy skimming creates the best colors, and health to the corals, as you can feed more, and target feed with aminos and vitamin supplements. Yes, they work, and I am living proof, but what if we allowed our systems to self regulate natural food sources, with smaller feedings? I think our systems would find a way to regulate and thrive. I like the idea of no water changes, but my system is still young, the mangroves likely are having little effect in nutrient removal, but as they mature, as well as the corals, the theory of no water changes becomes more realistic. Time will only tell, but no longer chasing "neon rainbows", lol ;)
 
Very nice, and simple, but most importantly successful! So many ways to do this, but I feel these systems can ultimately care for themselves, like a self sufficient eco system. This is my thoughts regarding the addition of mangroves, as the do exactly what a skimmer does in nature. I have been indoctrinated, like many others into a belief that skimmers are a necessary, and that carbon source dosing, with heavy skimming creates the best colors, and health to the corals, as you can feed more, and target feed with aminos and vitamin supplements. Yes, they work, and I am living proof, but what if we allowed our systems to self regulate natural food sources, with smaller feedings? I think our systems would find a way to regulate and thrive. I like the idea of no water changes, but my system is still young, the mangroves likely are having little effect in nutrient removal, but as they mature, as well as the corals, the theory of no water changes becomes more realistic. Time will only tell, but no longer chasing "neon rainbows", lol ;)

I dose 10 drops of polyp booster a day, and a big pinch of O N reef pulse (replacing reef roids) and that is just for the corals, the fish get fed twice a day, sometimes they get treats if I am home, I have a sump refugium and a display refugium (200 litres, mainly caulerpa), that feeds the fish and sucks up nutrients! ;)
 
I dose 10 drops of polyp booster a day, and a big pinch of O N reef pulse (replacing reef roids) and that is just for the corals, the fish get fed twice a day, sometimes they get treats if I am home, I have a sump refugium and a display refugium (200 litres, mainly caulerpa), that feeds the fish and sucks up nutrients! ;)
I love it, and I love hearing about large fuges, and biodiversity. Clearly you have a method that is working well for you, reminds me I have to revisit your thread, just have to set aside a half day to do so, lol. Cheers to you my friend! Thanks for your input!
 

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