Please help: Ich? Brook?

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I recently added new sand to my reef. The sand is very fine. My blue throat trigger often hangs out on sand level. Recently, I noticed what I first thought was ich. I ripped my reef apart (100 gallons) & put all my fish (trigger, kole tang, 2 clowns) in hospital tank (20 gallons).

I see that the spots on the trigger brush off, but some of the spots appear to be slightly attached to his skin by a mucous like film. Also, my kole seems to have some slight discolouration. Any ideas? Should I be concerned? The clowns seem unaffected one week into this.


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Brookynella is more.commonly associated with clown fish to be fair.
Cryptocaryon irritans should show signs in the fish scratching.

My advise at this stage. Wait a while before taking drastic action to confirm..
Sorry lovely fish in photo but i cant make spots out on my phone. (Might be better on pc).

If worried go with garlic dipped food for now whilst you evaluate.

It could just be sand 'fines' so no reason to stress.fish just yet.
 
Paullawr said:
Brookynella is more.commonly associated with clown fish to be fair.
Cryptocaryon irritans should show signs in the fish scratching.

My advise at this stage. Wait a while before taking drastic action to confirm..
Sorry lovely fish in photo but i cant make spots out on my phone. (Might be better on pc).

If worried go with garlic dipped food for now whilst you evaluate.

It could just be sand 'fines' so no reason to stress.fish just yet.
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Thanks. I will keep them in the hospital tank for a bit and try to post a better pic if the spots show again. The trigger isn't scratching but my kole will occasionally flash.

Does cryptocaryon easily brush off a fish?
 
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No buddy it won't brush off.

I suspect it's sand fines. It can stick to the fish. Had it happen before myself which made me anxious. Turned out to be nothing.

If it's an issue scratching and surface breathing are give a-ways.


Ps if your fish ever get brook. Not much you can do for them. .Very aggressive and kills very fast.
 
Paullawr said:
No buddy it won't brush off.

I suspect it's sand fines. It can stick to the fish. Had it happen before myself which made me anxious. Turned out to be nothing.

If it's an issue scratching and surface breathing are give a-ways.


Ps if your fish ever get brook. Not much you can do for them. .Very aggressive and kills very fast.
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Thanks so much, relieving! The main thing that worried me was the bit of mucous. Perhaps just because the sand is an irritant for the skin of the fish?
 
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Ok thanks humblefish! The kole's color seems to change quite a bit throughout the day. It is no longer blotchy, but it lighter overall in color.
 
That Kole looks like classic early velvet or "Hidden Velvet" disease. The color loss if that's the case is due to gill damage. I would watch very, very closely.

Is the fish breathing heavily? Swimming in to powerheads? Avoiding light more? Hiding more? Scratching or flashing?
 
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4FordFamily said:
That Kole looks like classic early velvet or "Hidden Velvet" disease. The color loss if that's the case is due to gill damage. I would watch very, very closely.

Is the fish breathing heavily? Swimming in to powerheads? Avoiding light more? Hiding more? Scratching or flashing?
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Yes it is breathing quickly, not swimming into powerheads, not avoiding light, not hiding, occasionally flashing when it was in the DT but hasn't flashed in QT. There are no abrasive surfaces in the QT though.
 
Do you have enough gas exchange going in QT? Have you tested for ammonia recently? What I'm getting at is fish don't breathe quickly without a reason. If environmental factors can be ruled out, and the fish isn't overexerting himself or fighting with another fish ... then parasites or worms inside the gills should be considered as a possibility.
 
Humblefish said:
Do you have enough gas exchange going in QT? Have you tested for ammonia recently? What I'm getting at is fish don't breathe quickly without a reason. If environmental factors can be ruled out, and the fish isn't overexerting himself or fighting with another fish ... then parasites or worms inside the gills should be considered as a possibility.
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Thank you so much for the help humblefish!!!

I just moved the fish this afternoon so the fast breathing could be stress. I will check in the morning.

The water in the QT was taken directly from the DT (0 nitrite, 6 nitrate). I have a powerhead pointing at the surface of the QT. I am using a canister filter with sponge only for QT filtration. The sponges have been sitting in my sump for a couple days in preparation for the QT.
 
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4FordFamily said:
That Kole looks like classic early velvet or "Hidden Velvet" disease. The color loss if that's the case is due to gill damage. I would watch very, very closely.

Is the fish breathing heavily? Swimming in to powerheads? Avoiding light more? Hiding more? Scratching or flashing?
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So I have a closer picture of my trigger. Also, the tang seems to have very little energy and is still breathing fast. Are we looking at velvet?

I'm pretty sure this came in on a frag I picked up at a LFS. They mentioned it was a little browned because a fish had died recently and I didn't even think to QT the frag. Ugh!!!

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Humblefish said:
Do you have enough gas exchange going in QT? Have you tested for ammonia recently? What I'm getting at is fish don't breathe quickly without a reason. If environmental factors can be ruled out, and the fish isn't overexerting himself or fighting with another fish ... then parasites or worms inside the gills should be considered as a possibility.
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Sorry humblefish. Not sure how else to tag you. I have an update and new pic of trigger. What are your thoughts?
 
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4FordFamily said:
I concur, that looks like velvet :/
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Brutal. I woke up to a dead tang. I will treat my remaining fish (trigger & 2 clowns). Trigger is looking pretty low energy. Clowns still seem unaffected, which is expected due to their extra thick slime coat, as I've read. Is it proper to still treat the clowns for velvet since they can still spread it to other fish?
 
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cil311 said:
Brutal. I woke up to a dead tang. I will treat my remaining fish (trigger & 2 clowns). Trigger is looking pretty low energy. Clowns still seem unaffected, which is expected due to their extra thick slime coat, as I've read. Is it proper to still treat the clowns for velvet since they can still spread it to other fish?
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Absolutely treat every fish. They'll carry it to more affected fish and eventually succumb themselves if not.

Sorry for your loss!
 

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