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Hi Jay. I just want you to know how much I appreciate you! The one I dipped was a mandarin. It sincerely looked like it was convulsing the entire time, it was awful. But seemed a little better after I put him back in the tank. “I” didn’t see anything but truth be told my vision in my left eye is very bad from glaucoma damage and I may have missed anything really tiny. All the other symptoms fit perfectly. I was too busy dealing with my health problems to do my own serious research, was relying mostly on the experience of my friends and you and the forum. But I realized after all our discussions and actually looking up pictures of fish with flukes and then reading the humblefish article that it was like a facepalm! Odd thing is I searched the forum using the search tool and it didn’t come up, it came up on a Google search! All 3 tanks have been treated with PraziPro since there are fish in each one who were in the tank with the flukes. I’ve never seen a worm in my DT, not even after lights out but know for sure there are bristleworms in the refugium. Will keep track of that and remove dead ones daily.
Thanks so much Jay!

Oh! So mandarins do not get Neobenedenia flukes, so a negative result from that would not rule out flukes in the other fish. I sort of know what you mean about eye issues - when I use a microscope, I have so many "floaters" in my eyes that I can barely see the subject I'm looking at and often have my co-workers do the looking for me for critical work.

One more issue about flukes - some of them are egg layers. The eggs can remain viable during one dose of prazi, so I usually follow it with a second dose about 10 days later. Does your product give you instructions for a second dose?

Jay
 
Oh! So mandarins do not get Neobenedenia flukes, so a negative result from that would not rule out flukes in the other fish. I sort of know what you mean about eye issues - when I use a microscope, I have so many "floaters" in my eyes that I can barely see the subject I'm looking at and often have my co-workers do the looking for me for critical work.

One more issue about flukes - some of them are egg layers. The eggs can remain viable during one dose of prazi, so I usually follow it with a second dose about 10 days later. Does your product give you instructions for a second dose?

Jay
Yes. I have the PraziPro brand and the bottle says one dose lasts 5 days but may redose in 3 days. I’m not sure if it is the PraziPro or the copper but the purple pseudo chromis is looking better. The inflamed area is smaller and it’s definitely more active. The water in my DT started looking a bit cloudy so I added a bubbler to it and it’s lookinbetter. So far the only things that seem unhappy are my ricordia and hammer and frogspawn. All the fish and inverts are looking good. I did just start dosing ATI essentials pro to correct chemistry because of rapidly growing inverts and corals so dkh has been fluctuating some so that may be why they’re unhappy. Thanks again!
 
Prazipro needs to put on their bottle that people need to increase aeration when using it - the cloudy water is a bacterial bloom that pulls oxygen out of the water. I would wait 7 days and then repeat the dose (not 3 days).

Jay
 
That looks and acts like ick on that wrasse, which means, all fish now have it, tank as well.
I’d pull them fish into a QT for TTM, HYPO or copper.
Ick is not really a killer, it’s counterproductive to its life cycle as their hosts must be alive.
Fish succumb to ick at all different times which is likely tied to the fishes original health.
The weak go first....sometimes the strong defeat it.
 
Prazipro needs to put on their bottle that people need to increase aeration when using it - the cloudy water is a bacterial bloom that pulls oxygen out of the water. I would wait 7 days and then repeat the dose (not 3 days).

Jay
Ok thank you. After the second dose when should we do a water change and should I run carbon for a few days at the end of the treatment period?
 
That looks and acts like ick on that wrasse, which means, all fish now have it, tank as well.
I’d pull them fish into a QT for TTM, HYPO or copper.
Ick is not really a killer, it’s counterproductive to its life cycle as their hosts must be alive.
Fish succumb to ick at all different times which is likely tied to the fishes original health.
The weak go first....sometimes the strong defeat it.
The big blue wrasse you are referring to sadly already died. Everything else is being treated for flukes We will see. Just want to treat long enough to break the life cycle
 
Ok thank you. After the second dose when should we do a water change and should I run carbon for a few days at the end of the treatment period?
I typically do a partial water change 48 hours after a prazi treatment, but the reality is that bacteria break the prazi down pretty quickly.
Jay
 
@Jay Hemdal btw I have terrible floaters too which also impair my vision. Whatever you do don’t have early cataract removal, complications from cataract surgery ultimately caused the glaucoma which was so severe I ended up having glaucoma surgery SEVEN TIMES in 2019.
 
Ok Jay....no dead bristleworms yet. Do you think the level of PraziPro is therapeutic? The purple fish is doing MUCH better. Great appetit, lots more energy and the abnormal area on the face is slowly improving. 30 days in copper?
 
I'm not sure if the Prazi helped the purple pseudochromis so quickly - it's only been 2 days, right? The fish may have gotten better on its own. Regarding the copper - at least two weeks. I normally go 30 days, but does the bottle instructions give you any guidance?

jay
 
I'm not sure if the Prazi helped the purple pseudochromis so quickly - it's only been 2 days, right? The fish may have gotten better on its own. Regarding the copper - at least two weeks. I normally go 30 days, but does the bottle instructions give you any guidance?

jay
I used copper power. Tested level today with Hannah and 241. I added PraziPro to the copper so I’m not sure what’s doing why. I felt like I saw some white things literally coming out of purple pseudochromis very soon after adding the PraziPro. I don’t see those anymore and the blister looking things are gone so not sure if that is a bacterial infection secondary to flukes? Everyone else in the DT is looking good, except my unhappy hammer coral.
The copper power bottle just says it stays at the same potency for many months but doesn’t have any treatment protocol other that to keep the level at 2.5 or 250, it went out of my mind almost as soon as I put the bottle back lol.
I prophylactically treated the non coral tank that has the coral beauty and sailfin tang in it but nothing has changed and they seem fine. So right now sick fish getting better, non sick fish all still looking good. I will leave the purple ps.chromis in copper until it is completely healed. I don’t want to take any chances at all. It seems happy enough by itself in the little QT.
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Just an observation - is that stand sturdy enough for that tank? I had the same (similar?) system in my lab years ago and had some corrosion issues, as well as problems with those black plastic pieces that hold the shelf’s in place. It was also kind of tippy.

Jay
 
Just an observation - is that stand sturdy enough for that tank? I had the same (similar?) system in my lab years ago and had some corrosion issues, as well as problems with those black plastic pieces that hold the shelf’s in place. It was also kind of tippy.

Jay
I got it from Sam’s club. It is very sturdy. Rated for 800 pounds per shelf. You aren’t the first to ask though! Not a permanent arrangement. We are getting a 75 gallon with a stand and canopy from a guy who’s upgrading. Going to put the fish from the 40 gallon into the 75 and have a FOWLR tank in our bedroom eventually. Our daughter and grandchildren just moved out 3 weeks ago so we are doing rearranging. Unfortunately I got bad news at the doctor yesterday and will be having yet another complicated small bowel surgery. I may die before the fish. Not sure how many more major surgeries my body can handle.
So far everyone is doing well. Very happy the purple pseudochromis is getting better
 
Me too. I’m so over it. But I’m trying to put it off as long as I can. Need the virus crap to stop. My husband wants to be with me and right now they don’t allow visitors. Just praying I don’t end up with an emergency situation.
meanwhile I’m going to enjoy my reef, rehab my sick fishy friend and get my reef pi up and running!
 
@Jay Hemdal....wow what a journey, learning experience without learning the what.
I have two, still young, blue green chromis (Fric and Frac, lol). The bg chromis has been sick much longer than the purple pseudochromis but we couldn’t catch it. It seemed to get better after I added the PraziPro but then went downhill again to the point my husband was able to just easily catch him with a net.
put him into the copper with the purple guy (who is looking better every single day) and was looking so bad was sure it would die before bedtime. Then I was certain we would wake up to a dead fish, but still alive, hanging out in the corner which actually isn’t totally odd behavior for my blue chromis. Had the lights off for an extended period of time to reduce stress, the purple fish has left him alone but when we turned the light on the blue chromis woke up and swam around a bit before returning to its corner. I threw in a couple of pellets and it definitely showed some interest so hoping when my husband feeds them the frozen, which he is going to soak in Focus, that it will actually swim around a bit more and eat.
I still really am not sure what the heck we’re dealing with. Everyone left in the DT is looking great. My husband just mixed up some fresh seawater so going to do a partial water change today, but not too big. I had an entire auto water change system set up that failed because the pumps that came with the ATO definitely junky and died rather quickly.
Just wanted to give a quick update and see if you had any more genius ideas. I’m still unsure about flukes though the symptoms seem to fit. I’m just hoping that since they seem to be doing ok in copper, and the purple one is MUCH improved that it’s something that is susceptible to the copper. Very odd. I just don’t want any more to die, at least not from disease
 
Sorry, I don't have any new ideas. Just watch overfeeding in the QT - I know that when I'm trying to get a fish to eat, I'll throw a lot of food at it, but you don't want that to settle uneaten in the tank. Also, watch the purple pseudochromis, as it gets better, it may start going after the chromis. Since the chromis are different sizes, you may even see them go at it.

Jay
 
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I definitely always have to be very careful about over feeding in that qt tank, which I actually originally bought to qt coral only, because it’s so small that even though fully cycled I can have ammonia spikes. The larger 40g Breeder was my fish QT but has become a semi permanent home for the Coral Beauty until we can get our official fowlr tank set up. We like too many coral eating things lol. Thanks for your continued support
 

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