I can respond to whatever thread I so chose. I’d say it’s more important to respond to threads that appear misleading. It’s hilarious that your justification boils down to that he has a big house. As if greed isn’t a thing. He’s claimed 500+ cases and that it works. Data provided is next to nothing. I’m far from the only one that finds that suspect.
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I can respond to whatever thread I so chose. I’d say it’s more important to respond to threads that appear misleading. It’s hilarious that your justification boils down to that he has a big house. As if greed isn’t a thing. He’s claimed 500+ cases and that it works. Data provided is next to nothing. I’m far from the only one that finds that suspect.
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This is where I’m personally at. I don’t think the in-tank treatment works well enough. Plus it seems to be dangerous.
I defended the Doc and I’ll give anybody the benefit of doubt, but when the in-tank treatment is not working after multiple treatments then I don’t know what to say.
He does mention that not every treatment is not 100%, but my friend Andre did 3 in-tank treatments and the ciliates are still there by the tons. So that means 0% thus far.
I have to follow the evidence at this point. Sorry Doc. I’ll contiune to update as more reports come in.
I defended the Doc and I’ll give anybody the benefit of doubt, but when the in-tank treatment is not working after multiple treatments then I don’t know what to say.
He does mention that not every treatment is not 100%, but my friend Andre did 3 in-tank treatments and the ciliates are still there by the tons. So that means 0% thus far.
I have to follow the evidence at this point. Sorry Doc. I’ll contiune to update as more reports come in.
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I just don’t think that every single person that does an experiment is going to have immediate data published which is why I gave the doctor the benefit of doubt. Personally I didn’t feel like he had anything to gain by lying about it. I saw him as a fellow hobbiest that was already very financially stable. We looked up his businesses and checked his credentials and everything was legit.
Who knows, maybe the guy is greedy and is misleading us. I just didn’t see any reason for him to lie about his claims. The dip works. He wasn’t lying about that. I can’t say it’s 100%, but it’s definitely working.
As far as the in-tank treatment...I do think he’s stretching the truth there. I’ve seen no other evidence from anybody but him that it’s working. Honestly that is starting to frustrate me.
He’s a hobbiest and knows we’re gonna fact check him. He knows we’re gonna test it. If he’s found to be a big liar then he won’t be able to visit any LFS without people giving him the stink eye.
So I just couldn’t see why he would lie. Of course we all wanted it to work, but if it’s not working then I’ll be the first to tell the truth. I have no hidden agenda as I’ve stated from the beginning of this thread.
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I suggest you follow Andre on Facebook. He’s got the products and doing most of the microscopic exams with them and documents his findings.
Of course we can chat there too.
Kick ich. Reef safe in tank ich treatment. Does it work? Of course not. Yet it pops up as mentions here all the time. Difference being the Dr tied his name to Prime where off hand idk the scamster begins kick ich and treatments like it.
As for his claims, stretching the truth is a wording to avoid saying he lied. There’s no way around that. If people continue to dose it and find it does nothing other than kill their fish and microfauna then it’s a lie. We don’t know ingredients but the way the website shows it sure seems like the dip and in tank treatment are separate. So different unless it’s a simple dosing strength thing. But seeing what the dip killed no way I’d dose my tank with it. The web site makes claims, very definitively, that can’t be backed up.
Not proven
This flies in the face of much discussed here. Taking this at face value it’s claim means all corals will die if one STN or RTN. Everyone knows this isn’t true.
If the claim is this is the only that stops it all, sure. But others stop most of these and this hasn’t even proven that it stops them all has it?
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What really made me start to “not trust him” was when he said that a particular parasite was Uronema. I called him out on it, because I’m very familiar with Uronema. I posted microscopic images and video which were clearly much different than what he was claiming to be Uronema. He never responded.
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I feel like that’s something he’s good at, runs when called out. We all sensed the BS from the beginning and knew it was a matter of time before he went running.
There are just too many knowledgeable people on this board. He may get away with it on FB, but that won’t fly here
Just to illustrate, even at the beginning of the last century, virtually all complaints of joint pain of the elderly were called rheumatism ... time was passing, knowledge evolving and rheumatism was becoming rheumatic diseases, autoimmune diseases and, to days today, is a complex medical specialty called Rheumatology.
Of the known, there is no reason to think that the WBD (an acronym that today relate to a nosological manifestation in which there is loss of coral tissues with exposure of its skeleton, and that literature, in the current level of knowledge, tends to group as a only disease with distinct presentation) could not soon be confirmed as a diversified number of coral diseases with similar presentation. It's a question of time, and research.
Different diseases, even with similar manifestations, will not respond equally to the same treatment, and the same soup that helps in curing the common cold may be the one that delays the relief when it is used to treat pneumonia.
That said, an experimental treatment, devised by a daring hobbyist, stimulated to try something in the face of impending loss, may eventually be effective at that time and lead him to think that he has found the cure of that malaise, but ... if not test your formula and do not present a solid portfolio of positive results, your claims do not hold.
Results are missing here.
Of the known, there is no reason to think that the WBD (an acronym that today relate to a nosological manifestation in which there is loss of coral tissues with exposure of its skeleton, and that literature, in the current level of knowledge, tends to group as a only disease with distinct presentation) could not soon be confirmed as a diversified number of coral diseases with similar presentation. It's a question of time, and research.
Different diseases, even with similar manifestations, will not respond equally to the same treatment, and the same soup that helps in curing the common cold may be the one that delays the relief when it is used to treat pneumonia.
That said, an experimental treatment, devised by a daring hobbyist, stimulated to try something in the face of impending loss, may eventually be effective at that time and lead him to think that he has found the cure of that malaise, but ... if not test your formula and do not present a solid portfolio of positive results, your claims do not hold.
Results are missing here.
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It’s depressing to say the least, but I have to follow the evidence.
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Agreed...too much missing. Doctor refuses to come and explain. Evidence pointing in the other direction now. I’m done at least with the in-tank treatment part unless I start hearing otherwise. Will update here if anything changes.
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Moving on...
Has anybody heard of Cyclohexmidide, Quinine Sulfate or MFA?
These may be worthy of testing. Tell me what you know.
Has anybody heard of Cyclohexmidide, Quinine Sulfate or MFA?
These may be worthy of testing. Tell me what you know.
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There’s two things I hate more than anything in a reef.
1. Vermetid Snails
2. Bubble Algae
Both are very difficult to combat. I think Reef Flux may kill the bubble algae though.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/killing-bubble-algae-with-reef-hd-reef-flux.353069/
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Fawlty Towers reference! That was out of left field. Love that show!
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He just uploaded this video:
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He says nobody bothered to look yet he used Michael Sweets paper as a guide for his first study.?
These ciliates/ parasites remind me of ants on a piece of food. They consume live zooxanthellae so they’re definitely eating live coral tissue.
These ciliates/ parasites remind me of ants on a piece of food. They consume live zooxanthellae so they’re definitely eating live coral tissue.
Is the above spelling correct?
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