Pretty sure its Ich, can someone help confirm?

[GGonzo]

Here are my pictures of my 2 tangs showing signs. The Blue Tang has already dropped most of it...but the Powder Blue still has it on him.

 

[fishguy242]

hi please try to provide more tank info,in qt? how long,params,best wishes
let's call some expert help. @Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

 

[GGonzo]

hi please try to provide more tank info,in qt? how long,params,best wishes
let's call some expert help. @Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

Well, I know I have Ich in my DT...so dropping to hypo after tons of research on it. Ordered a 50 watt UV Sterilizer and some medication I didn't have on hand. I'm setting up QT right now and I have Copper Power, Hanna checker for Copper (really didn't want to treat Powder Blue without Hanna Checker), I purchased black worms to help with nutrition plus vitamins and fish oil, I have Ich-X, PraziPro and Odin-ex on hand for medication and awaiting my dip solutions and Microbacter 7 to help with bacteria in DT as well as seeding QT to be delivered in a day or 2. I'm trying to have everything on hand that I could possibly need.
All fish are eating well, no losses, no corals or invertebrates in DT and little to no algae.
Anything else I should mention so you can get a good idea of what I have and can accomplish with it?

 

[GGonzo]

Well, I know I have Ich in my DT...so dropping to hypo after tons of research on it. Ordered a 50 watt UV Sterilizer and some medication I didn't have on hand. I'm setting up QT right now and I have Copper Power, Hanna checker for Copper (really didn't want to treat Powder Blue without Hanna Checker), I purchased black worms to help with nutrition plus vitamins and fish oil, I have Ich-X, PraziPro and Odin-ex on hand for medication and awaiting my dip solutions and Microbacter 7 to help with bacteria in DT as well as seeding QT to be delivered in a day or 2. I'm trying to have everything on hand that I could possibly need.
All fish are eating well, no losses, no corals or invertebrates in DT and little to no algae.
Anything else I should mention so you can get a good idea of what I have and can accomplish with it?

Oh, and my parameters are good, been testing in the morning and evening, no spikes and I have a batch of baked baking soda ready incase of PH issues.

 

[fishguy242]

just hang tight on experts ,they will come..
and Welcome to the reef..

 

[vetteguy53081]

Oh, and my parameters are good, been testing in the morning and evening, no spikes and I have a batch of baked baking soda ready incase of PH issues.

When you say parameters are good- and assuming this is a newer tank, What are your numbers for ammonia-nitrate-ph-salinity-temp and What test kit are you using?
It does look like ich rather than velvet as in this instance, The number of dots can be counted whereas if velvet- would be infinite. Behavioral symptoms such as flashing, scratching, twitching and heavy breathing are other indicators of ich.
A quarantine tank or temporary tank will need to be setup. CopperSafe will be the best course of treatment being less harsh for a tang over pure copper. I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT WITH COPPER TREATMENT, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU OBTAIN A COPPER TEST KIT AND A GOOD KIT TO MONITOR COPPER LEVELS DURING THIS PROCESS.

-OTHER TREAMENT METHODS ARE Hyposalinity, Chloroquine, Copper or Tank Transfer Method. The fallow (fishless) period for starving ich out of a Display Tank is 45 days. Many reefers have raised the tank temperature to 27C/80.5F which may shorten the Ich fallow period to just 4 weeks (dont hold me to this)

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Well, I know I have Ich in my DT...so dropping to hypo after tons of research on it. Ordered a 50 watt UV Sterilizer and some medication I didn't have on hand. I'm setting up QT right now and I have Copper Power, Hanna checker for Copper (really didn't want to treat Powder Blue without Hanna Checker), I purchased black worms to help with nutrition plus vitamins and fish oil, I have Ich-X, PraziPro and Odin-ex on hand for medication and awaiting my dip solutions and Microbacter 7 to help with bacteria in DT as well as seeding QT to be delivered in a day or 2. I'm trying to have everything on hand that I could possibly need.
All fish are eating well, no losses, no corals or invertebrates in DT and little to no algae.
Anything else I should mention so you can get a good idea of what I have and can accomplish with it?

Based on the pictures and your description, that is Cryptocaryon, ich. You should get them into full Copper Power right away. What I do is calculate a 50% dose, then dose it, allow it to mix for a couple of hours, then test the water. Assuming the test reads 50%, I dose the second half and let it mix for another couple of hours and then run a test to confirm. It will take up to three days before you start to see improvements.

Jay

 

[GGonzo]

Based on the pictures and your description, that is Cryptocaryon, ich. You should get them into full Copper Power right away. What I do is calculate a 50% dose, then dose it, allow it to mix for a couple of hours, then test the water. Assuming the test reads 50%, I dose the second half and let it mix for another couple of hours and then run a test to confirm. It will take up to three days before you start to see improvements.

Jay

I'll grab a bottle of nitrofing bacteria while I'm at the LRS in a minute. I don't think I can use my DT water because it has Ich...is this correct?

 

[GGonzo]

When you say parameters are good- and assuming this is a newer tank, What are your numbers for ammonia-nitrate-ph-salinity-temp and What test kit are you using?
It does look like ich rather than velvet as in this instance, The number of dots can be counted whereas if velvet- would be infinite. Behavioral symptoms such as flashing, scratching, twitching and heavy breathing are other indicators of ich.
A quarantine tank or temporary tank will need to be setup. CopperSafe will be the best course of treatment being less harsh for a tang over pure copper. I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT WITH COPPER TREATMENT, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU OBTAIN A COPPER TEST KIT AND A GOOD KIT TO MONITOR COPPER LEVELS DURING THIS PROCESS.

-OTHER TREAMENT METHODS ARE Hyposalinity, Chloroquine, Copper or Tank Transfer Method. The fallow (fishless) period for starving ich out of a Display Tank is 45 days. Many reefers have raised the tank temperature to 27C/80.5F which may shorten the Ich fallow period to just 4 weeks (dont hold me to this)

PH-8.0
Ammonia-.10ppm
Nitrite-0ppm
Nitrate-.25ppm
Going hypo, so SG is now at 1.019
Temp-77
I'm using a Master Saltwater Test Kit...I know, they aren't the most popular. I'm saving money to buy Hanna Checkers, but they ain't cheap. I test multiple times a day, I feel my readings (while perhaps not 100% accurate) are a good reflection of my tank parameters.

I'll start the copper dosing regimen you suggested as soon as I get back from the LRS with the extra supplies I need.

 

[vetteguy53081]

PH-8.0
Ammonia-.10ppm
Nitrite-0ppm
Nitrate-.25ppm
Going hypo, so SG is now at 1.019
Temp-77
I'm using a Master Saltwater Test Kit...I know, they aren't the most popular. I'm saving money to buy Hanna Checkers, but they ain't cheap. I test multiple times a day, I feel my readings (while perhaps not 100% accurate) are a good reflection of my tank parameters.

I'll start the copper dosing regimen you suggested as soon as I get back from the LRS with the extra supplies I need.

take a water sample with you to LFS and have them retest those numbers if theyre not using API kits

 

[GGonzo]

take a water sample with you to LFS and have them retest those numbers if theyre not using API kits

They were actually using an API test kit...their numbers matched mine

 

[Teen reefer]

Put them in a quarantine tank ASAP for it won’t spreed you anything else and you should buy some medicine for them online or at you local fish store but usually tangs are very Vulnerable to diseases.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Put them in a quarantine tank ASAP for it won’t spreed you anything else and you should buy some medicine for them online or at you local fish store but usually tangs are very Vulnerable to diseases.

He's been advised of that already and just came back with LFS with needed meds (assumed).
As for your staement on disease, be careful with that statement. Surgeonfish and tangs are continuous feeders and they need to be provided a proper diet. They are susceptible to nutritional disorders which may cause color loss and LLD (lateral line disease). Supplementing their diet with the addition of vitamin C to their food or adding a vitamin supplement directly to their water can help to avoid or aid in reducing these ailments. Tangs are very sensitive to disease in the home aquarium however, if the tang is fed enough algae and receive proper nutrition and the aquarium is properly maintained . . . disease should not be a problem. It is usually necessary to quarantine the animals for a period before introducing them to the aquarium. To applies to all marine and many freshwater fish- not just tangs.

 

[Teen reefer]

O ok, sorry

 

[GGonzo]

Just got back from the LRS and my package had arrived from BRS with the dietary supplements that had been recommended and coincided with the research I had done regarding supplements/vitamins.
I'm getting the QT set up, soaking my sponge in Microbacter 7 to help seed the aquarium and waiting for the saltwater to finish mixing...I've been running this fresh batch since this morning.
I'll keep you guys posted. Got a lit of work to do to get this up and running, but I'll check my emails and stay in touch should anyone have anything that should be added to the great advice I've received thus far.
Thank you everyone!

 

[GGonzo]

Based on the pictures and your description, that is Cryptocaryon, ich. You should get them into full Copper Power right away. What I do is calculate a 50% dose, then dose it, allow it to mix for a couple of hours, then test the water. Assuming the test reads 50%, I dose the second half and let it mix for another couple of hours and then run a test to confirm. It will take up to three days before you start to see improvements.

Jay

I purchased what I needed to set up an effective QT system. How long do I let the filter set in the glass with the Microbacter 7? I have some tank water in the cup with a ton of Microbacter 7. I'll place that sponge in my filter I have running in my QT system. Here are some pictures for reference. I haven't added any copper because I actually have 2 kinds. I have Copper Power and I have Fritz Coppersafe which is chelated copper and I'm not sure if my Hanna Checker reads that type of copper medication as well. I know Powder Blues tend to be sensitive to copper.
Any advice would be greatly welcomed.

 

[GGonzo]

Ignore the picture of my sump...that was accidentally uploaded LOL

 

[GGonzo]

I had to start QT with the Powder Blue this evening, he started looking pretty rough but he was eating still. The Yellow Tang was giving him a hard time, it's like my Yellow can tell when the PB isn't feeling great.
I started with Coopermine since it's more gentle, I did a 1.5ppm dose to start with so as not to overwhelm him.
Advice is greatly appreciated as usual and other than that, we will move forward and I'll keep my fingers crossed that he feels better sooner rather than later. I'm confident he will pull through, I just want to do everything I can to keep him comfortable while I medicate him as he heals.

 

[GGonzo]

When you say parameters are good- and assuming this is a newer tank, What are your numbers for ammonia-nitrate-ph-salinity-temp and What test kit are you using?
It does look like ich rather than velvet as in this instance, The number of dots can be counted whereas if velvet- would be infinite. Behavioral symptoms such as flashing, scratching, twitching and heavy breathing are other indicators of ich.
A quarantine tank or temporary tank will need to be setup. CopperSafe will be the best course of treatment being less harsh for a tang over pure copper. I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT WITH COPPER TREATMENT, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU OBTAIN A COPPER TEST KIT AND A GOOD KIT TO MONITOR COPPER LEVELS DURING THIS PROCESS.

-OTHER TREAMENT METHODS ARE Hyposalinity, Chloroquine, Copper or Tank Transfer Method. The fallow (fishless) period for starving ich out of a Display Tank is 45 days. Many reefers have raised the tank temperature to 27C/80.5F which may shorten the Ich fallow period to just 4 weeks (dont hold me to this)

I started Coppersafe last night beginning with a half dose and checking it with my hanna checker for accurate. I have my Powder Blue and today I added my Blue Tang (which I actually think may be blind...seriously). I'll up the dose of coppersafe to 1.75 over the next 2 days and I believe stabilize it at 2.0ppm, correct?

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I started Coppersafe last night beginning with a half dose and checking it with my hanna checker for accurate. I have my Powder Blue and today I added my Blue Tang (which I actually think may be blind...seriously). I'll up the dose of coppersafe to 1.75 over the next 2 days and I believe stabilize it at 2.0ppm, correct?

You need to get the coppersafe up to full dose today!

Jay