Purple tang with ich (plz help)

[Theo15]

Absolutely. A lot of people have used copper and successfully eradicated ich...A LOT.

Of course, it's a proven method, but in my case like many other people out there setting up a quarantine wasn't an option and the medication fixed everything

 

[domination2580]

Of course, it's a proven method, but in my case like many other people out there setting up a quarantine wasn't an option and the medication fixed everything

The med didn't fix anything, it is just keeping it at bay...or in other words controlling the ich...
Why is setting up a quarentine not an option? A 10 gallon tank on the floor will work....doesn't need a light, and you can get a qt up and running for under 50$

 

[Theo15]

The med didn't fix anything, it is just keeping it at bay...or in other words controlling the ich...

My fish are happy and fat I haven't had any problems the ick has not attacked them since I treated and it's been months ,it worked for me ,as long as my fish are fine i dont see a need to do anything else

 

[domination2580]

My fish are happy and fat I haven't had any problems the ick has not attacked them since I treated and it's been months ,it worked for me ,as long as my fish are fine i dont see a need to do anything else

If they are great! If in gills you will not know ich is present since they are covered by the gills.

 

[Theo15]

If they are great! If in gills you will not know ich is present since they are covered by the gills.

Yea but it isn't hard to tell if a fish is sick , you will notice the behavior change almost immediately ,and if it was in their gills my fish would go to my 2 wrasse that I have for a cleaning ,but they haven't ,my purple tang got ick once ,I gave him the medication and that was it ,never seen it again and he eats like a pig

 

[domination2580]

Yea but it isn't hard to tell if a fish is sick , you will notice the behavior change almost immediately ,and if it was in their gills my fish would go to my 2 wrasse that I have for a cleaning ,but they haven't ,my purple tang got ick once ,I gave him the medication and that was it ,never seen it again and he eats like a pig

Very true.
But cleaner wrasse can't always get to the gills of fish....

 

[Theo15]

Very true.
But cleaner wrasse can't always get to the gills of fish....

Yes they do , that's their job in the marine world

 

[domination2580]

Yes they do , that's their job in the marine world

Correct but if it is to big for the fish they cannot

 

[4FordFamily]

I just set up a 10 gallon qt, it cost me less then $50 for everything.

Good choice

 

[4FordFamily]

For future reference you might want to invest in a cleaner shrimp or a cleaner wrasse , it's like the fish have a natural instinct to go to them if they have problems or need to be cleaned , these guys can sometimes help prevent an outbreak

There has been no proof yet that either actually eats ich parasites.

 

[4FordFamily]

Also this entire discussion is irrelevant about ich if the op has velvet. "Velvet management" methods don't really work. In today's environment velvet is every bit as common as ich and if you try ich management as suggested by some in this thread, you will get velvet and you will lose this battle. You'll also not be able to keep most acanthurus tangs (like powder blue, powder brown, goldrim, achilles, etc) and many angels and butterflies as well. You limit the fish you can keep. If you push your luck with these fish there's a chance you start an infestation that takes over quickly with an easier, weaker host.

I still think based on what little the op has provided that this is a case of velvet. The treatment would be the same, but the need to act quickly is imperative.

 

[Theo15]

There has been no proof yet that either actually eats ich parasites.

I've seen this happen countless times

 

[Theo15]

Also this entire discussion is irrelevant about ich if the op has velvet. "Velvet management" methods don't really work. In today's environment velvet is every bit as common as ich and if you try ich management as suggested by some in this thread, you will get velvet and you will lose this battle. You'll also not be able to keep most acanthurus tangs (like powder blue, powder brown, goldrim, achilles, etc) and many angels and butterflies as well. You limit the fish you can keep. If you push your luck with these fish there's a chance you start an infestation that takes over quickly with an easier, weaker host.

I still think based on what little the op has provided that this is a case of velvet. The treatment would be the same, but the need to act quickly is imperative.

This it true also

 

[Miguel a Villalobos]

Well I have read that some ppl quarantine there fish for 1-3 months and show no ich but when introduced to the other tank they get it .

 

[Theo15]

Well I have read that some ppl quarantine there fish for 1-3 months and show no ich but when introduced to the other tank they get it .

That's because there is no cure ,it's natural so the best thing to do would be to try and contain it

 

[4FordFamily]

I've seen this happen countless times

You've seen wrasse or shrimp fish pick at a diseased fish. Cleaner shrimp biopsies have not found ich or any common hobby parasites inside them. It's more likely that they're eating the damaged skin/mucous around the embedddd parasite.

 

[Miguel a Villalobos]

Ok so I'm going to continue to dose the tank with the kordan ich attack and continue to soak the food in the garlic and metro/focus

 

[4FordFamily]

Well I have read that some ppl quarantine there fish for 1-3 months and show no ich but when introduced to the other tank they get it .

This would mean that ich was never eradicated from the original tank (kept fishless for 76 days is how you are 95% or greater sure that this won't happen).

OR during treatment, the medication levels were kept high enough to keep the fish from showing symptoms but not high enough to eradicate it entirely. So, a seemingly parasite-free fish is introduced in to a copper-free or medication-free display tank and ich returns. It's not that ich was summoned from the outlands, it's that the parasite was kept at bay, not eradicated.

Both situations are common, but easily preventable. Test copper daily to ensure it's always above the therapeutic dose. If it goes below, restart your 30 day clock.

 

[Theo15]

Ok so I'm going to continue to dose the tank with the kordan ich attack and continue to soak the food in the garlic and metro/focus

That's the best thing to do ,look into the seachem metroplex and focus, you won't be disappointed!

 

[4FordFamily]

Ok so I'm going to continue to dose the tank with the kordan ich attack and continue to soak the food in the garlic and metro/focus

Unfortunately, I think you're fighting a losing battle if this is your plan of attack. If velvet, you'll absolutely lose. If ich, it won't help and you'll have it return again.

Your choice though. I practiced "ich management" for nearly ten years, so I know how to do it. What I considered "success" was nothing like proper quarantine and treatment has yielded me.