Quick help with lethargic mandarin

[Kirschy17]

Hey guys, fish is in for about 2 weeks. Other fish including a 2nd mandarin are doing fine. Both mandarins were not starving. Both eat frozen food, also pod population is certainly big enough. (I can tell since their bellies got certainly bigger after i got them.

He seems to have a silky look to his skin. He had that before, i didnt bother it because he was doing fine. Mandarins cant get velvet or ich right?

Hesjust hangin at the bottom, still breathing. Tried feeding but he didnt really react.

Anything i can try?

 

[eatbreakfast]

Pic? They have a very thick slime coat, but can still get and carry disease. However, with 2 mandarins I think it is more likely that there is aggression and you are seeing damage to the slime coat.

 

[Kirschy17]

picture is really not too great. There was agression when i first added then but after that they i never noticed a bit. The sick one is a female i added after the male. I just diagnosed possible bacterial infection with my lfs. I just did a freshwaterdip which seemed like it gave relief. Still doesnt look too great. Still lethatgic but still alive. Ill start treating with microbelift artemiss/herbtana.

 

[eatbreakfast]

It looks emaciated in the pic.

 

[Kirschy17]

You are right i didnt notice that at first, i just checked. Thing is i saw both eating frozen aswell as pods frequently lately. Also the other mandarin is not thin at all. I doubt theres a lack of food provided.

Maybe caused by the sickness? Would u confirm a bacterial infection. The issue is my other mandarin and a two spot goby show similar white looking badges?(sry not english) also fins look kinda rotting. Also after the freshwaterdip the fish is looking better. It almost didnt move at sll when i cought it. Now shes swimming a bit. I dipped for 60s. Should i repeat this later?

Thanks for the help btw!

 

[eatbreakfast]

I can't tell from pics to confirm the diagnosis, but others more skilled than myself should chime in later.

 

[Crabs McJones]

I'm going to agree with @eatbreakfast If there was aggression and he got the worse end of the stick, could cause the slime coating damage, and cause him not to get any food if the other mandarin is bullying him.

 

[Kirschy17]

The aggression was entirely gone after the first 3-4 hours. Im pretty certain the male wanted to show dominance. I have not seen one nipping each other once after that day. Also i saw both eating. No competition between the two for sure. I just tested nitrite and ammonia and seem to have a tiny spike. (.2 ammonia, .05 nitrite)

No clue where this iscoming from. The tank is over 6months old and is full of coral and fish. Im prepping a whater change right now and tossed in bacteria to dissolve ammonia. I did a water change like 4 days ago. Nothing died aswell. I have to double check the test later.

Ill try a better picture btw

 

[Kirschy17]

Ill focus on solving the parameter issue, im kinda stunned because i never had any issues with parameters. Tank has a skimmer and a refugium. Also coral(soft, lps, sps) invertebrates and an anemone are doing fine( fish aswell, even an angel)

I hope ill get that done in time. Also the skin irritations are gone after the dip so the picture wont show anything. Skin looks good now.

 

[Humblefish]

Can you take a pic under white lighting? It’s difficult to make out much from that photo.

 

[Kirschy17]

What looks to be back was gone after the freshwaterdip. I think the white batches are irritations caused by anything else. Its not getting better btw. Still breathing tough. How could i tell it it is an ammonia burn?

 

[Humblefish]

Did you see any flukes fall off during the FW dip?

 

[lagatbezan]

...Now shes swimming a bit. I dipped for 60s. Should i repeat this later?

Thanks for the help btw!

60 second is too short of a fw dip. Need to be 3~5min.

 

[Kirschy17]

Fish is dead, it kinda buried before it went off(went underneath a rock) im concernet about my other fish now. I do think i saw some white stuff falling off him when i dipped but it could also have been the mocus it had produced. It had this white coating in the first place.

So im kinda worried about there being something in my tank thats not working as intended. I lost a starry blenny also about 2-3 weeks ago. I didnt see white badges but it also had this really empty belly.

After checking the dead mandarin i dont seem to find anything really off besides a white spit on its bottom that looks like a injury.

Im worried about 2 fish in particular, one is my other mandarin who looks healthy but his skin looks irritated sonehow aswell. The other is a twospot goby which i have for 2-3 months allready which is chilling at the sand from time to time. Most of the time i dont bother but sometimes im not sure if its healthy behaviour. Also its fins are kinda injured/rotting? Not looking healthy. Ill add a picture there.

I somehow feel a relation.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Kirschy17]

U can see the injured? Fins

 

[Humblefish]

Still drop the body in FW (tap is fine) to check for flukes...

 

[Crabs McJones]

U can see the injured? Fins

Sorry for your loss...the fin loss on your goby looks like he's been getting picked on.

 

[Kirschy17]

Still drop the body in FW (tap is fine) to check for flukes...

Did that and saw nothing. No flukes id say

 

[glb]

Do you know the source of the ammonia? That needs to be addressed first imo. Is there a dead fish somewhere? I’ve added Seachem Prime to neutralize the ammonia in an emergency, but the source needs to be eliminated. Has it resolved?

 

[laverda]

Your Mandarin looks like it starved to death. If it was getting enough to eat it would have been better equipped to fight off possible illness, but it had no chance when it was that thin. Ammonia and nitrite in the tank did not help matters. What frozen foods were you feeding them. Manderins and the 2 spot are hard to feed properly in a small aquarium. Just because you saw them eating pods does not mean there were enough for them to survive. The eat a lot of pods and eat constantly to get enough to survive. I don't now if it is an issue specificly, but I would be concerned about the cyno bacteria on the sand bed with you twinspot goby. Being a sand sifter I doubt cyno is healthy for them to eat. Also I am suprised you have cyno as I would expect the twin spot to keep the sand bed cleaner.
Most bottom dwellers are prone to internal parasites. Was the new Mandarin QTed?