Rapid breathing
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Big G
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@Humblefish, @4FordFamily, @HotRocks, @Crabs Mcjones Just got to believe that this is a result of the sub-therapeutic copper treatments by the collectors, shippers and LFS. These fish's immune systems are so compromised by the long and low and inconsistent levels of copper they are exposed to that latent bacterial infections are the result. I just don't believe in coincidences. This sub-therapeutic copper dosing is having unintended and extensive, extended ramifications.
@Big G You are probably right, and the worst part is these wholesalers could care less so long as they make money. It’s very disheartening that we can’t strike a balance... be profitable + do right by the animals under our care. 
4FordFamily
Tang, Angel, and Wrasse Nerd!
@Big G I also imagine if they didn’t run low levels of copper the fish would all die before making it here, too. It’s just not possible to do it the right way without grossly increasing costs. But perhaps that seems like the right thing to do...
One of my Hawaii clients said that fish from there are struggling marginally worse than anywhere because no one knows the future of fish collection in Hawaii so they’re not investing any money in to facilities and are cutting costs for fear that their way of living/industry may be wounded critically or inhibited significantly.
One of my Hawaii clients said that fish from there are struggling marginally worse than anywhere because no one knows the future of fish collection in Hawaii so they’re not investing any money in to facilities and are cutting costs for fear that their way of living/industry may be wounded critically or inhibited significantly.
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Big G
captain dunsel
@Big G You are probably right, and the worst part is these wholesalers could care less so long as they make money. It’s very disheartening that we can’t strike a balance... be profitable + do right by the animals under our care.
So what are you guys thinking/recommending to deal with this situation? Dosing ABX at the "beginning" of QT before copper/CP if prophylactically treating without evidence or symptoms of parasites/disease? NFG or Sulfaplex perhaps? Thinking that's where I'm heading or at least giving it a test or two. CBBs seem to be the "canary in the coal mine."
4FordFamily
Tang, Angel, and Wrasse Nerd!
@HotRocks and I and I believe @Humblefish are starting them in 1PPM copper upon arrival and 1-2 days later starting them in spectrogram. So far it’s working surprisingly well. Then our plan is to transfer them to another sterile quarantine after 14 days in copper for observation and general cure.
Also, after they start eating we start feeding general cure and focus soaked foods to cover the widest spectrum of internal parasites.
NFG has worked wonders when we’ve been able to quickly identify infections probably better than any other but @Humblefish advises against using it in conjunction with copper in anything short of an emergency (IE definitely not prophylactically).
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Big G
captain dunsel
What's "spectrogram"? @4FordFamily
Found it. The company that sells this is in my town! Will pick some up this week. Thanks for the info @4FordFamily
Found it. The company that sells this is in my town! Will pick some up this week. Thanks for the info @4FordFamily
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I've experimented a little dosing Spectrogram w/copper or CP on Day 1: http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquatronics.html#spectrogram
So far, so good. It only turns the water a yellowish color, doesn't interfere with the Hanna copper checker, and doesn't seem to inhibit the QT biofilter. I have concerns about the MB found in NFG destroying nitrifying bacteria. As an added bonus, dosing Spectrogram just one time will (slowly) clear a cloudy QT in many instances.
Big G
captain dunsel
Great info thanks. A bit of hope is always welcome.
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icliao
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I moved the fishes to a clean tank without copper and the fishes seems to stop breathing so fast. Could it be copper sensitivity? I increased copper gradually, maybe it has finally reach a level they don’t tolerate ? I am treating them with Furan-2 now just for precaution? Any suggestions is appreciated.
Copper sensitivity is certainly a possibility. There’s only so much some fish can take of it.
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icliao
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Thanks.
I want to ask what is the likelihood of Brooknylle? If the fish has no whitespots or slime coat and have been kept for 3 weeks? I was thinking about dosing CP but do not want to stress the fishes if unnecessary.
The problem is copper can suppress brook, so you'd only be in the clear after 3 weeks if copper hadn't been in the water.
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icliao
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In that case the rapid breathing I assume is not related to Brooknylle. Thanks for the clarification. I will keep them in none medicate tank for observation if they clear Furan-2 treatment without incidents.
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icliao
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The foxface and Achilles tang now happy and eating again only hours after moving to a non- copper medicated tank. Should I discontinue the Furan-2 treatment? Or do I better go through with the 4 dosage as per the instruction?
Piranhapat
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Continue to keep them in clean water with no medication. Most of the times we are killing these fish by adding to much copper and ect. Let the fish eat watch for any spots. Can give him a freshwater bath when he is stronger. Most of the time if you added copper that is the problem. Especially when he was eating and wasn't breathing heavy before you added copper.
I agree; wait & see
