Refugium light.....Is spending the big $ on Kessil worth it?

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I wonder how many people would change their tune if they'd actually tried the h380 LOL. Everyone's got a budget, I get that; and it would certainly not be the first thing I'd buy for a tank .....
 
I have 2 kessil on my display cause I love the shimmer.I am far from a hater but I have a 100 watts for 48 dollars which is more watts than a kessil h380 and it works well, and to me it's worth it.
 
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Lol my sump even says KESSIL....
 
$12 insane grow light. Not only do I run one on all 3 of my tanks and harvest chaeto bi-weekly, I have countless friends and customer's that have purchased one and are sharing in same results. Currently have 0 nitrates in all three of my tanks and have to dose sodium nitrate just to feed the fuge. $12, 12watt hydro light is the way to go. Would love to see BRS do a side by side with this.

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That’s exactly what I use and it works amazing.
 
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I think the question was, " is the kessils worth the big bucks". For me they are, because of the rise in ph and drop in nutrients compared to the other lights I was using. As far as price I only paid 299.99 for mine which is a fair price for me.
 
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I think the question was, " is the kessils worth the big bucks". For me they are, because of the rise in ph and drop in nutrients compared to the other lights I was using. As far as price I only paid 299.99 for mine which is a fair price for me.

You get the ph rise and drop in nutrients from any light that has a metric crapload of red LEDs with some blue. Kessil has not found some magical led that performs better than the typical horticulture spectrum....

I love brs but my god some people are brainwashed. They didn’t include a cheap red/blue horticulture led in the test....
 
You get the ph rise and drop in nutrients from any light that has a metric crapload of red LEDs with some blue. Kessil has not found some magical led that performs better than the typical horticulture spectrum....

Of course not, did anybody claim they had? I'd argue the value is in how they've implemented the tech - and that that value is inherently personal preference. Have you actually used the h380 or are you just pontificating? I don't bother with the BRS videos myself, viewing them as nothing more than a marketing/sales vehicle.
 
You get the ph rise and drop in nutrients from any light that has a metric crapload of red LEDs with some blue. Kessil has not found some magical led that performs better than the typical horticulture spectrum....

I love brs but my god some people are brainwashed. They didn’t include a cheap red/blue horticulture led in the test....
nobody said they bought it because its a magical horticulture spectrum, they bought it because it produces results and is a well built product.
the thread question was is the kessil h380 worth it to buy? heck yea it was, but whats affordable is subjective and in my personal case all my reef equipment is reliable, high quality gear.
I have to reiterate how amusing I find the hate over how money is spent in this hobby. people get a pat on the back for buying a ballin' $800 synergy triton sump with all the bells and whistles and then get chastised for not putting an unproven, Chinese built, amazon light over it.
 
It's recommended 1 foot to 2 foot off the waters surface depended on your fuge size :)
Mine is 7".

It's a hard question to answer. If you are trying hard to get the most growth out of your fuge because you need every ounce of nutrient reduction you can get then yes it's worth it. It will grow macro better. But if that's not you, then no.

It's like saying I need a corvette to drive to work when really you need something reliable that goes 75 and gets decent gas mileage.
 
Mine is 7".

It's a hard question to answer. If you are trying hard to get the most growth out of your fuge because you need every ounce of nutrient reduction you can get then yes it's worth it. It will grow macro better. But if that's not you, then no.

It's like saying I need a corvette to drive to work when really you need something reliable that goes 75 and gets decent gas mileage.
Another large factor in it is how deep your fuge is. Mine is pretty deep and I keep my light about 10 inches off the water surface, and my chaeto almost never floats to the top it sits on the bottom. But in all honesty, who wouldn't take a corvette though! lol
 
And still nobody mentions phosphate control.
Does one light reduce and control phosphate levels better than other?
Or are people still using GFO?
My experience is using a refugium is good for nitrates control... For phosphate is a different story.
What is your opinion?
 
And still nobody mentions phosphate control.
Does one light reduce and control phosphate levels better than other?
Or are people still using GFO?
My experience is using a refugium is good for nitrates control... For phosphate is a different story.
What is your opinion?
It's been my experience that the Kessil H380 matched with chaeto was able to reduce both phosphates and nitrates. Using GFO with chaeto almost always kills out the chaeto unless your system is extremely nutrient rich.
 
No no you guys can' be serious . The thing that makes kessil special is it' compact cluster, not it's power ,not its different array of led colors,not it's programmability. The dense LED chip gives Kessil a look like no other LED. Grow lights are not rocket science red ,blue,with a dash of white. Granted the h380 has a cooling fan ,yes a plus this will give longevity, sleek design looks great bit come on lets be serious any grow light over 90 watts will do the same . It may not look as good doing it ,but it will do the same .

And again I own kessil ,I love the light ,I'm not hating, just calling it like it is
 
Everyone here is talking about the H380. Does anyone have any experience with H80?
 
Everyone here is talking about the H380. Does anyone have any experience with H80?
I have both. the h80 is decent for a small refugium but it is basically not a value when you consider the light output vs cost. I bought it with a specific use and it worked fine but this is a case where I would explore other options that would probably yield better results for less money especially if your fuge is >5 gallons.
 
I run this horticulture led from Amazon that cost about $100. It draws 130 watts at 100% power; it’s dimmable and has a built in timer. It also has a much better coverage area than a kessil pendant—this thing is about 14”x8”, so it works perfectly for my 18x12 fuge.

Grows chaeto well. I have 15 fish in about 110gallons (Reefer 525) and have undetectable phosphates and have to dose nitrate to keep it around 2ppm.

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And still nobody mentions phosphate control.
Does one light reduce and control phosphate levels better than other?
Or are people still using GFO?
My experience is using a refugium is good for nitrates control... For phosphate is a different story.
What is your opinion?
I think there are other factors that come into play. Phosphate will reduce with better algae growth, which a good light can contribute, but also how much macro you have, and the type of macro as well. Carbon dosing can play a factor as well. Personally I don't use gfo at all in any of my three systems. I don't do water changes either. In fact in one tank I add liquid phosphate daily to keep it detectable. But it's all about system design as a whole. The kessil isn't going to make or break a phosphate situation alone.
 
$12 insane grow light. Not only do I run one on all 3 of my tanks and harvest chaeto bi-weekly, I have countless friends and customer's that have purchased one and are sharing in same results. Currently have 0 nitrates in all three of my tanks and have to dose sodium nitrate just to feed the fuge. $12, 12watt hydro light is the way to go. Would love to see BRS do a side by side with this.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12W-E26-E27-PAR38-12-LED-Red-Blue-Hydroponic-Flower-Plant-Grow-Light-Bulb-Lamp/172228430053?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

I have the 24 watt version and it is actually to much power for my sump! I had to revert back to a lower powered cfl because it was bleaching out my chaeto.
 
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