Refugium VS Protein Skimmer

Refugium vs Protein Skimmer which one will be better

  • Refugium (if so why)

    Votes: 12 50.0%
  • Protein Skimmer (if so why)

    Votes: 12 50.0%

  • Total voters
    24
I have the refugium with live rock and sand is in the first bay and the skimmer in the return bay. The center bay has been empty for a while.
You know what........I still have about 5lbs of rinsed sand left from DT. I guess I'll just throw it in the sump. Thanks for the idea.

Sorry to the OP. Didn't mean to hijack the thread.
 
Both skimmer and refugium with macro export nutrients. I run both, but if forced to choose, probably skimmer for export, gas exchange, and occasional ozone.
 
Both skimmer and refugium with macro export nutrients. I run both, but if forced to choose, probably skimmer for export, gas exchange, and occasional ozone.

Refugium with macro.... Thus the clarity part. Not trying to nit pick but setup and understanding is everything.
 
Depends… are you dealing with high phosphates (skimmer) or nitrates (fuge)?
 
Hey there, I will set up a reef tank, so I was wondering which one I should use first or will be better to use, Refugiums or Protein Skimmers?
Buy a skimmer and carbon dose if you need to reduce the nitrate concentration.
 
Both....

If order is question, then first refugium, then skimmer, some people say that is better when fuge is after skimmer, but i always run fuge before skimmer chamber...
I agree with you to have the Skimmer before the Refugium only because some of your life-supporting critters will be caught up in the skimmer and well, will be skimmed away aka dead/killed...
 
Cheato has been fickle for me. I think maybe there is too much competition for inorganic nutrients in my system. I have 15 decent size fish in my 90 that are fed very well. I can't imagine that there isn't quite a bit of nutrients flowing through the system. I've tried dosing iron, potassium. changing lights, adding flow, and even played it a little Aerosmith for a while. Nothing made it grow. Well, wait... it did grow while I dosed the nutrients I wanted it to bind! I finally gave up, threw away the light, and replaced it all with live rock and live sand.

I think the bacteria, sponges, tube worms. and other "cryptic" life that proliferates in dark fuges helps manage nutrients, be it in a different way, without the need for lights, harvesting, and etc. I know that life occurs under the rocks in lighted areas too, but we tend to use less rock in the display tank now. More in the sump/refugium is surely a benefit.

I know that little N&P is actually bound in the organisms themselves except for the amount bound in growing tissues. However, I think the cryptic organisms help the nutrient control process by converting organic nutrients so that they can be used by other organisms in the system. That's about the extent of my reasoning and knowledge though.

Caulerpa racemosa outcompeted chaeto in my refugia, so it may be better at taking up nutrients.
 
Never had skimmer. Admittedly I’m not quite year into reefing but i really liked the idea of a more ”natural approach with a refugium. I currently use the 3.7 gallon Aqufuge 2 hob refugium with my 60 gallon AIO tank. Bought it originally for my 30 gallon that I’ve upgraded from. I use chaeto and bioblocks. I had some smaller live rock pieces that are currently in the display and would like to get 5-10 lbs of it again for it. I think the only thing I would change might be getting a slightly bigger one. Otherwise does seem to help keep nutrients lower.
 
why do you think skimmers are more effective on phosphate?
Ok not phosphates but organics before they break down into phosphate and it does a better job at removing organics than a suspended tumbling ball of chaeto. I guess I would say the best way to lower phosphates is to limit their sources and a skimmer does a better job at removing organic sources.
 
Por Que no las dos?
Hi there, I will most probably have both later on, but I was thinking of adding the protein skimmer first and then the chaeto later on before adding corals.
 
My 45g system has not needed a skimmer so depending on size you might get away without one - I do have a flourishing refugium (different macros and rocks)
Hey, I plan on setting up a 150 gallon tank.
 
Never had skimmer. Admittedly I’m not quite year into reefing but i really liked the idea of a more ”natural approach with a refugium. I currently use the 3.7 gallon Aqufuge 2 hob refugium with my 60 gallon AIO tank. Bought it originally for my 30 gallon that I’ve upgraded from. I use chaeto and bioblocks. I had some smaller live rock pieces that are currently in the display and would like to get 5-10 lbs of it again for it. I think the only thing I would change might be getting a slightly bigger one. Otherwise does seem to help keep nutrients lower.
I see thanks!
 
Hey there, I will set up a reef tank, so I was wondering which one I should use first or will be better to use, Refugiums or Protein Skimmers?
A skimmer removes part of the nutrients needed to clear the water by growth( refugium) if a fish eats food it releases +- 85% of the nitrogen present in the food as ammonia. The rest is released in the feces which do have a very low nitrogen content. To be able to remove produced ammonia by growth the feces must be broken down and reused. Because a skimmer removes part of the feces but not ammonia, how growth will be able to take up all produced ammonia? So, the answer is obvious. First a refugium, as big as possible. You do not need a skimmer but you do need growth to clear the water.
 
only skimmer is what I would vote for. I have tried skimmer several times (to control phosphate, increase ph, cods/copepods,etc…). I have found refugium to be moderately effective but it becomes another variable to manage and in the long run it to compete with growth of my corals. Refugium is optional, skimmer on the other hand is a must have in a closed small system like home aquaria.

sam
 
Using a refuge from the start one can install the growth needed before adding the live stock, one is able to condition the tank to what is coming. using AAM, active algae management, one can install the growth taking up a certain amount of nutrients daily, as desired. This way one does learn to manage growth before adding anything else. To do this one must maintain growth by active management of feeding, adding what is needed to support the growth but not more.
 
A skimmer removes part of the nutrients needed to clear the water by growth( refugium) if a fish eats food it releases +- 85% of the nitrogen present in the food as ammonia. The rest is released in the feces which do have a very low nitrogen content. To be able to remove produced ammonia by growth the feces must be broken down and reused. Because a skimmer removes part of the feces but not ammonia, how growth will be able to take up all produced ammonia? So, the answer is obvious. First a refugium, as big as possible. You do not need a skimmer but you do need growth to clear the water.
I see thank you so much!
 
only skimmer is what I would vote for. I have tried skimmer several times (to control phosphate, increase ph, cods/copepods,etc…). I have found refugium to be moderately effective but it becomes another variable to manage and in the long run it to compete with growth of my corals. Refugium is optional, skimmer on the other hand is a must have in a closed small system like home aquaria.

sam
Okie! Thanks a lot for your reply!
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%

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