Small quarantine tank ????

[SteveMac84]

Just make sure there is nothing in it that would absorb any medication, such as activated carbon.

Thank you

 

[SteveMac84]

Yes, and I'm not advocating the general use of sand and/or live rock for copper quarantining. That wrasse is a special case, and I'm in the process of ramping down the copper now.

Thank you

 

[SteveMac84]

Thank you all !!!!! huge help. Backtracking some today. Making appropriate changes.

 

[jmichaelh7]

Remove the rock and sand. Run copper for ich and velvet , and antiviral medication for parasites. I just broke down my entire reef and now I’m doing things backwards because I didn’t do it right the first time. Bro save the hassle now on the fallow period in case you get an outbreak . 76 days isn’t cool on a fallow period when 30 days of quarantine can be a one and done thing

 

[SteveMac84]

Remove the rock and sand. Run copper for ich and velvet , and antiviral medication for parasites. I just broke down my entire reef and now I’m doing things backwards because I didn’t do it right the first time. Bro save the hassle now on the fallow period in case you get an outbreak . 76 days isn’t cool on a fallow period when 30 days of quarantine can be a one and done thing

Thanks

 

[SteveMac84]

Thanks

Antiviral medication ??????

 

[jmichaelh7]

Antiviral medication ??????

I apologize this morning I mistaken Prazipro as clarification haha. Prazi for disease treatment

 

[SteveMac84]

Rock gone. Sand mostly gone. Copper testing, coppersafe and prazIpro ordered Letting it settle a couple days. Then will test All around levels. Hoping it settles by next weekend. Want to add a tang then. Very nice small flame fin tang at our local store.

 

[jmichaelh7]

Rock gone. Sand mostly gone. Copper testing, coppersafe and prazIpro ordered Letting it settle a couple days. Then will test All around levels. Hoping it settles by next weekend. Want to add a tang then. Very nice small flame fin tang at our local store.

Cool. Is this your first time doing copper medication ?

 

[SteveMac84]

Yes it is. Any advice? It has not delivered yet.

 

[jmichaelh7]

Yes it is. Any advice? It has not delivered yet.

- don’t use any of your quarantine equipment for your display. Fish net, etc
- highly recommend getting Seachem Ammonia badge
-highly recommend the Hanna High range copper test to ensure you dial in with correct ppm during the water changes
- ramp up over 6-7 days

What kind of copper are you using? I’m currently using Copper Power

 

[SteveMac84]

- don’t use any of your quarantine equipment for your display. Fish net, etc
- highly recommend getting Seachem Ammonia badge
-highly recommend the Hanna High range copper test to ensure you dial in with correct ppm during the water changes
- ramp up over 6-7 days

What kind of copper are you using? I’m currently using Copper Power

Thank you. I ordered coppersafe and the ammonia badge. What level of copper is optimum?

 

[jmichaelh7]

Thank you. I ordered coppersafe and the ammonia badge. What level of copper is optimum?

2.0-2.5 is what I’m aiming for. I think 1.5 you can start your 30 day clock

 

[SteveMac84]

2.0-2.5 is what I’m aiming for. I think 1.5 you can start your 30 day clock

Thank you

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

There should be instructions on the bottle. Also you don’t need to ramp it up 6-7 days. 2 days at the max if at all. Once Jay Hemdal chimes in he will explain better.

 

[SteveMac84]

There should be instructions on the bottle. Also you don’t need to ramp it up 6-7 days. 2 days at the max if at all. Once Jay Hemdal chimes in he will explain better

 

[SteveMac84]

Thank

There should be instructions on the bottle. Also you don’t need to ramp it up 6-7 days. 2 days at the max if at all. Once Jay Hemdal chimes in he will explain better.

thank you. Glad to hear on the 7 days. My order gets here on Tuesday. Would like to get that flame fin tang next weekend.

 

[SteveMac84]

There should be instructions on the bottle. Also you don’t need to ramp it up 6-7 days. 2 days at the max if at all. Once Jay Hemdal chimes in he will explain better.

The debate I’ve read is to predose or not. Some say wait a few days and observe before doing copper and prazipro that it’s less stress on the fish. Others say to be ahead of it with low doses. What are your thoughts???

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

My thought is: Treat all fish as if they are infected from the get go. And treat them at full dose.

Reason for my thought process:

1. Observation may not show hidden disease
2. Fish may die while observing especially with something like velvet
3. Treatment under therapeutic dose may hide the disease but will not eliminate it
4. Treatment under therapeutic dose may result in the development of resistance by the pathogen (there has been some talk off copper resistant ich because of this reason).
5. For almost all fish (I will exclude very sensitive fish since I don’t have experience with them as I haven’t kept them) the chelated forms of copper is well tolerated at full dose from the get go based on what I have heard from experts like Dr. Hemdal. I believe the slow ramp up was for the ionic form of copper (cuppramine).

I have a yellow tang with active ich and a Picasso and Niger trigger with no active disease in full copper power since Nov 2. They are all doing fantastic. The challenge with the QT for me has not been the copper but keeping the parameters of the water healthy in such a small system without all the fancy filtration that my big system has.

Again this is just my experience and opinion. So far it has worked for me (keeping fingers crossed).

 

[SteveMac84]

My thought is: Treat all fish as if they are infected from the get go. And treat them at full dose.

Reason for my thought process:

1. Observation may not show hidden disease
2. Fish may die while observing especially with something like velvet
3. Treatment under therapeutic dose may hide the disease but will not eliminate it
4. Treatment under therapeutic dose may result in the development of resistance by the pathogen (there has been some talk off copper resistant ich because of this reason).
5. For almost all fish (I will exclude very sensitive fish since I don’t have experience with them as I haven’t kept them) the chelated forms of copper is well tolerated at full dose from the get go based on what I have heard from experts like Dr. Hemdal. I believe the slow ramp up was for the ionic form of copper (cuppramine).

I have a yellow tang with active ich and a Picasso and Niger trigger with no active disease in full copper power since Nov 2. They are all doing fantastic. The challenge with the QT for me has not been the copper but keeping the parameters of the water healthy in such a small system without all the fancy filtration that my big system has.

Again this is just my experience and opinion. So far it has worked for me (keeping fingers crossed).

Thank you so much. Huge help.