So Biota went Retail...

[ichthyogeek]

Whoah!!

Cultured Fish

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Fish are...expensive as expected, but hey, captive bred fish!

 

[BackToTheReef]

This is awesome. I'll pay the extra if they have what I want for sure.

 

[User1]

Yeah - saw this. Pacific East Aquaculture was a good BIOTA source. He had a trio of the milletseed butterflies. I was going to get them but someone nabbed them before I had a chance. I've been on the look out which is how I found this.

Good news although it may take longer to get certain fish now since it is a wider audience to purchase than going through a retailer.

 

[Squidward]

So do these fish need to be qurantined?

 

[ichthyogeek]

So do these fish need to be qurantined?

I would say yes. You should quarantine* regardless of where you get the fish from.

 

[Squidward]

I would say yes. You should quarantine* regardless of where you get the fish from.

Shouldn't captive bred have no ich or velvet?

 

[BlennyTime]

Liveaquaria usually has a pretty good supply of Biota and ORA captive bred fish, in their regular store and divers den.

 

[User1]

Shouldn't captive bred have no ich or velvet?

It is more of a system question than how the fish are raised and or bred. If that makes sense. More of course goes into like feeding and what not but you get the idea.

I won't go into if you should or not quarantine or isolate because that is up to each hobbyist. However, I have heard more or less the two initial benefits of buying captive raised or bred fish is that they are eating prepared foods and have Mother Natures stamp of approval since it isn't sourced from the ocean / environment.

 

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Shouldn't captive bred have no ich or velvet?

Why couldn't they? Just because the fish doesn't come from the ocean doesn't mean it can't catch disease from other fish. If you put a sick fish with healthy fish, the healthy fish will get sick. Doesn't matter if they came from the ocean or not. This probably happens less since Biota and ORA don't really bring in new livestock, but it's not impossible. I've only ever bought one fish from the ocean and I still QT everything.

Having said all that, out of a dozen or so captive bred fish I've purchased, only one has ever been sick. This was a clownfish from Petco, the first fish I ever bought. Aside from that, all the captive bred fish I've ordered from Biota/ORA over the years have never been sick once.

 

[ChrisNH]

Just because the fish doesn't come from the ocean doesn't mean it can't catch disease from other fish.

If the fish never go through the wholesale/retail system, maybe they do not have that opportunity. The only other fish they get exposed to are also aquacultured. I will be curious to see how this develops.

 

[RCeiver]

So do these fish need to be qurantined?

Biota has eliminated most diseases from their system and breeding stock, but i would still quarantine and observe. Personally, I think I would skip my normal incoming treatments if I was getting these directly from Biota.

 

[RCeiver]

Why couldn't they? Just because the fish doesn't come from the ocean doesn't mean it can't catch disease from other fish. If you put a sick fish with healthy fish, the healthy fish will get sick. Doesn't matter if they came from the ocean or not. This probably happens less since Biota and ORA don't really bring in new livestock, but it's not impossible. I've only ever bought one fish from the ocean and I still QT everything.

Having said all that, out of a dozen or so captive bred fish I've purchased, only one has ever been sick. This was a clownfish from Petco, the first fish I ever bought. Aside from that, all the captive bred fish I've ordered from Biota/ORA over the years have never been sick once.

Because Biota and Ora don’t bring in new breeding stock unless they’ve been quarantined, tested, and treated. It’s cheaper for them to eliminate those diseases than to risk losing a massive amount of stock or having to treat thousands of gallons.

 

[Acros]

Awesome.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Assume all fish have a parasite or such and quarantine.

 

[chipmunkofdoom2]

Because Biota and Ora don’t bring in new breeding stock unless they’ve been quarantined, tested, and treated. It’s cheaper for them to eliminate those diseases than to risk losing a massive amount of stock or having to treat thousands of gallons.

Agreed on all points. That doesn't mean that accidents can't happen. All it takes is trivial mistake during QT of new broodstock and everything can be infected. It wouldn't be impossible for Biota/ORA to ship an infected fish before they realized what was going on and before the fish started showing signs of illness. It also wouldn't be impossible for an unsuspecting hobbyist to drop that sick but visibly healthy fish right in their display because they read that "captive bred fish can't get sick" on R2R.

My post shared my experience with captive bred fish. I've found that they're generally very hardy and, in my experience, almost never have diseases. For those reasons, I think that hobbyists should order captive bred fish whenever possible. That is not a guarantee that captive bred fish will not have diseases. It's irresponsible to even suggest anything like that. Captive bred fish can have any of the diseases that fish from the ocean can. If you want to be sure that you will not introduce disease into your tank, you have to QT everything regardless of the source.

 

[chipmunkofdoom2]

If the fish never go through the wholesale/retail system, maybe they do not have that opportunity. The only other fish they get exposed to are also aquacultured. I will be curious to see how this develops.

To each his own. "Maybe" is good enough for some reefers, but it's not good enough for me. I want to QT and observe so I can know for sure that I'm not introducing Brook/velvet/ich into my tank, regardless of the fish source.

 

[hart24601]

While not fish I have been very excited by biota crocea clams. I ordered one the 1st day they announced going retail on Facebook!


Here is the clam I got mid April, still doing well.

 

[ChrisNH]

That is not a guarantee that captive bred fish will not have diseases.

I think we can all agree on that. I think what this is about is level of risk vs level of effort. For me, where I have a pair of neon gobies, perhaps the equation is different then someone who has a $1000 wrasse. Personally, I get the fish QT for me, and probably will with biota fish too but maybe not medicated QT.

 

[Ippyroy]

I just checked out their site, and they offer a complete reef package with everything you would need. A 13.5 gallon tank and a Coral Beauty. Don't these fish need a much larger tank, or can they be kept in a smaller aquarium. It's my understanding that they need over a 50 gallon. Am I wrong in this?

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[Squidward]

Why couldn't they? Just because the fish doesn't come from the ocean doesn't mean it can't catch disease from other fish.

If all the fish are captive bred, there's no reason ich or velvet magically developed in their systems.