I’ve finally been able to source another one of my dream fish! This time it’s a lineatus wrasse, hoping for it to one day turn into a stunning supermale!
Stunning as usual! Just picked up this guy from Top Shelf Aquatics. The more blue light the more yellow it gets. Wish I could find a pure yellow hammer that wasn't a wall type though.
Yes, that looks like it if it keeps its yellow around 18k and brightens significantly around 20k. Where did you find it? Tidal Gardens had one years back and Than said it was his biggest mistake selling it.
Yes, that looks like it if it keeps its yellow around 18k and brightens significantly around 20k. Where did you find it? Tidal Gardens had one years back and Than said it was his biggest mistake selling it.
dang, I wish I was. In Los Vegas for a bit then Houston in a couple of weeks. I’m guessing you’re in Florida. Oh well. I’ll keep you on my list if I ever make it to that area though.
dang, I wish I was. In Los Vegas for a bit then Houston in a couple of weeks. I’m guessing you’re in Florida. Oh well. I’ll keep you on my list if I ever make it to that area though.
VIB X MarineTo Stabilize MicrobiotaWith the help of VIB X, the natural balance of the microbiome of corals and fish is restored.Vib X significantly increases the resistance of corals and fish. The special carrier material allows the bacterial strains to…
I would like to try this method but want to start slow… Is there 3-4 products you could mix that would be a good starting point.. if so are you mixing based on the labels and then letting rest for 8 hours or dosing different amounts of each product for the concoction. I can’t find where it actual gives amounts per supplement to build the concoction. Thank you and sorry if I missed it somewhere, I just saw the one post with all the products but not a mix guideline.
VIB X MarineTo Stabilize MicrobiotaWith the help of VIB X, the natural balance of the microbiome of corals and fish is restored.Vib X significantly increases the resistance of corals and fish. The special carrier material allows the bacterial strains to…
I have not tried it, but it does seem interesting. It sounds similar to tunze's carebacter which is also supposed to have anti vibrio properties as well.
I would like to try this method but want to start slow… Is there 3-4 products you could mix that would be a good starting point.. if so are you mixing based on the labels and then letting rest for 8 hours or dosing different amounts of each product for the concoction. I can’t find where it actual gives amounts per supplement to build the concoction. Thank you and sorry if I missed it somewhere, I just saw the one post with all the products but not a mix guideline.
I broke it down in a previous post, you'll need to make sure to cover
Bacteria source - zeobak, pro bio S, Mb7, etc
carbon source - aminos, vinegar, vitamins, etc
particulate food- Min S, coral sprint, etc
Enzymes- Zeozym
Trace elements- from using the fresh SW to mix, certain trace element additives, FM Organic, etc (Note: if you're mixing and dosing with fresh SW be mindful of your system's salinity, it will drift up overtime since you are adding in new salt water)
I combine all of my ingredients, and mix with about 2 liters of water. I use all of it within 3 days usually.
Essentially you're mixing all the products in a separate container before dumping them into the system. You're just isolating the bacteria so that they have first access to the resources and are allowed to multiply before they are consumed by the corals. The corals should then consume the remaining partially digested coral foods, and the remaining enzymes/bacteria will aid in the decomposition/nutrient cycling
I specifically did not recommend dosing values because that is dependent on the system. I would recommend you start dosing half the recommended amount on each product and test as you dose. From there you will be able to make the proper judgement calls on whether you'll need to increase or decrease the product usage.
I'd recommend you revisit the previous posts, and do some slight research on the topic before you venture in. The method should aid your system, but it's best to learn and develop an intuitive understanding so that you can become closer to your system and understand the nuances and interplay that exists in your reef.
I have not tried it, but it does seem interesting. It sounds similar to tunze's carebacter which is also supposed to have anti vibrio properties as well.
I broke it down in a previous post, you'll need to make sure to cover
Bacteria source - zeobak, pro bio S, Mb7, etc
carbon source - aminos, vinegar, vitamins, etc
particulate food- Min S, coral sprint, etc
Enzymes- Zeozym
Trace elements- from using the fresh SW to mix, certain trace element additives, FM Organic, etc (Note: if you're mixing and dosing with fresh SW be mindful of your system's salinity, it will drift up overtime since you are adding in new salt water)
I combine all of my ingredients, and mix with about 2 liters of water. I use all of it within 3 days usually.
Essentially you're mixing all the products in a separate container before dumping them into the system. You're just isolating the bacteria so that they have first access to the resources and are allowed to multiply before they are consumed by the corals. The corals should then consume the remaining partially digested coral foods, and the remaining enzymes/bacteria will aid in the decomposition/nutrient cycling
I specifically did not recommend dosing values because that is dependent on the system. I would recommend you start dosing half the recommended amount on each product and test as you dose. From there you will be able to make the proper judgement calls on whether you'll need to increase or decrease the product usage.
I'd recommend you revisit the previous posts, and do some slight research on the topic before you venture in. The method should aid your system, but it's best to learn and develop an intuitive understanding so that you can become closer to your system and understand the nuances and interplay that exists in your reef.
Been looking at this a few days, listened to the podcast, thanks for adding another to my listening playlist. Just wanted to ask some questions and make some thoughts.
Abe from Coral Euphoria was discussing the merits of bacterial dosing in his last upload. I left that slightly skeptical, not only because I’ve previously been a Carbon doser and suffered what I attributed to the proliferation of “bad” bacteria but because from what I recall the ratio of bacteria as food that corals take is relatively low compared to other heterotrophic feeding the colony will do. This methodology makes more sense as your creating a blend of feed including selected strains of bacteria. Have you considered the ratio of food sources from these feeding function?
I have had issues with low Nitrate and Phosphate with this tank, due to the mass of coral compared to water volume etc. So I’ve regularly added these as end products when levels drop below 2ppm No3 and 0.03ppm Po4. So it would appear that feeding the corals directly possibly is a good idea for my situation.
Any thoughts on an alternative Enzyme, the Zeozyme doesn’t appear to be particularly readily available, those stores that sell it it’s often actually out of stock and is pretty costly for an individual product of unknown origin, which of corse the Zeo way. I’m in the U.K. so whilst we are well catered for it’s a different market/product line availability.
VIB X MarineTo Stabilize MicrobiotaWith the help of VIB X, the natural balance of the microbiome of corals and fish is restored.Vib X significantly increases the resistance of corals and fish. The special carrier material allows the bacterial strains to…
I have not tried it, but it does seem interesting. It sounds similar to tunze's carebacter which is also supposed to have anti vibrio properties as well.
I broke it down in a previous post, you'll need to make sure to cover
Bacteria source - zeobak, pro bio S, Mb7, etc
carbon source - aminos, vinegar, vitamins, etc
particulate food- Min S, coral sprint, etc
Enzymes- Zeozym
Trace elements- from using the fresh SW to mix, certain trace element additives, FM Organic, etc (Note: if you're mixing and dosing with fresh SW be mindful of your system's salinity, it will drift up overtime since you are adding in new salt water)
I combine all of my ingredients, and mix with about 2 liters of water. I use all of it within 3 days usually.
Essentially you're mixing all the products in a separate container before dumping them into the system. You're just isolating the bacteria so that they have first access to the resources and are allowed to multiply before they are consumed by the corals. The corals should then consume the remaining partially digested coral foods, and the remaining enzymes/bacteria will aid in the decomposition/nutrient cycling
I specifically did not recommend dosing values because that is dependent on the system. I would recommend you start dosing half the recommended amount on each product and test as you dose. From there you will be able to make the proper judgement calls on whether you'll need to increase or decrease the product usage.
I'd recommend you revisit the previous posts, and do some slight research on the topic before you venture in. The method should aid your system, but it's best to learn and develop an intuitive understanding so that you can become closer to your system and understand the nuances and interplay that exists in your reef.
Have you thought on what kinds of interactions may be occurring? Aquaforest discourages mixing several of their products while promoting others. I get the idea that you’re trying to ‘gut load’ bacteria and it sounds very intriguing. I’ve adopted your process, but have separated it out over the week. Monday I use Coral Balance mainly as a floculant, Wednesday all the organic foods, enzymes and trace elements (if necessary) and Friday the various bacteria’s go in (Rebiotic, some blue bottles, FM Therapy, etc…). My concern is that some of the additives may be counter productive to the life cycle of bacteria and may bind with bio polymers making them harder to break down. Or, the processes in the tank may get more use from the additives (like trace elements) than the bacteria.
Any specific thoughts on this or reading you’ve come across that you’re tapping into in your methodology?
Been looking at this a few days, listened to the podcast, thanks for adding another to my listening playlist. Just wanted to ask some questions and make some thoughts.
Abe from Coral Euphoria was discussing the merits of bacterial dosing in his last upload. I left that slightly skeptical, not only because I’ve previously been a Carbon doser and suffered what I attributed to the proliferation of “bad” bacteria but because from what I recall the ratio of bacteria as food that corals take is relatively low compared to other heterotrophic feeding the colony will do. This methodology makes more sense as your creating a blend of feed including selected strains of bacteria. Have you considered the ratio of food sources from these feeding function?
I have had issues with low Nitrate and Phosphate with this tank, due to the mass of coral compared to water volume etc. So I’ve regularly added these as end products when levels drop below 2ppm No3 and 0.03ppm Po4. So it would appear that feeding the corals directly possibly is a good idea for my situation.
Any thoughts on an alternative Enzyme, the Zeozyme doesn’t appear to be particularly readily available, those stores that sell it it’s often actually out of stock and is pretty costly for an individual product of unknown origin, which of corse the Zeo way. I’m in the U.K. so whilst we are well catered for it’s a different market/product line availability.
what I recall the ratio of bacteria as food that corals take is relatively low compared to other heterotrophic feeding the colony will do. This methodology makes more sense as your creating a blend of feed including selected strains of bacteria. Have you considered the ratio of food sources from these feeding function?
Could you reference this? It would be interesting to read. If I remember correctly there was a study that showed that corals had a pretty high impact on the bacterial density of the water. Not sure about what "ratio" you're looking for. It is probably dependent on the food you use and your system's density. This is also dependent on the system's general water parameters as the corals should be in an optimal environment to begin with to allow them the best chances to properly feed.
Any thoughts on an alternative Enzyme, the Zeozyme doesn’t appear to be particularly readily available, those stores that sell it it’s often actually out of stock and is pretty costly for an individual product of unknown origin, which of corse the Zeo way. I’m in the U.K. so whilst we are well catered for it’s a different market/product line availability.
It sounds similar to Coral Balance but instead of bio polymers it is uses bacteria.
Have you thought on what kinds of interactions may be occurring? Aquaforest discourages mixing several of their products while promoting others. I get the idea that you’re trying to ‘gut load’ bacteria and it sounds very intriguing. I’ve adopted your process, but have separated it out over the week. Monday I use Coral Balance mainly as a floculant, Wednesday all the organic foods, enzymes and trace elements (if necessary) and Friday the various bacteria’s go in (Rebiotic, some blue bottles, FM Therapy, etc…). My concern is that some of the additives may be counter productive to the life cycle of bacteria and may bind with bio polymers making them harder to break down. Or, the processes in the tank may get more use from the additives (like trace elements) than the bacteria.
Any specific thoughts on this or reading you’ve come across that you’re tapping into in your methodology?
I don't think the products I mix have any anti-synergistic effects. It doesn't appear to impact bacterial growth as I still see the bacterial films forming after about 1 day. I've also topped off the concoction with fresh sw as I ran low and saw the bacterial films repopulate.
Either way the same thing will happen in your tank, the isolation just allows you to optimize your products.
Could you reference this? It would be interesting to read. If I remember correctly there was a study that showed that corals had a pretty high impact on the bacterial density of the water. Not sure about what "ratio" you're looking for. It is probably dependent on the food you use and your system's density. This is also dependent on the system's general water parameters as the corals should be in an optimal environment to begin with to allow them the best chances to properly feed.
I would also love to find an alternative to this, I wonder if anyone else has any experience on what it could potentially be.
I’d have to get back to you on that, to be honest I’m curious myself as to what that ratio was 18% Bacteria sticks in my mind. I believe Eric Bourneman refers to it in his book Aquarium Corals.
I have not tried it, but it does seem interesting. It sounds similar to tunze's carebacter which is also supposed to have anti vibrio properties as well.
I broke it down in a previous post, you'll need to make sure to cover
Bacteria source - zeobak, pro bio S, Mb7, etc
carbon source - aminos, vinegar, vitamins, etc
particulate food- Min S, coral sprint, etc
Enzymes- Zeozym
Trace elements- from using the fresh SW to mix, certain trace element additives, FM Organic, etc (Note: if you're mixing and dosing with fresh SW be mindful of your system's salinity, it will drift up overtime since you are adding in new salt water)
I combine all of my ingredients, and mix with about 2 liters of water. I use all of it within 3 days usually.
Essentially you're mixing all the products in a separate container before dumping them into the system. You're just isolating the bacteria so that they have first access to the resources and are allowed to multiply before they are consumed by the corals. The corals should then consume the remaining partially digested coral foods, and the remaining enzymes/bacteria will aid in the decomposition/nutrient cycling
I specifically did not recommend dosing values because that is dependent on the system. I would recommend you start dosing half the recommended amount on each product and test as you dose. From there you will be able to make the proper judgement calls on whether you'll need to increase or decrease the product usage.
I'd recommend you revisit the previous posts, and do some slight research on the topic before you venture in. The method should aid your system, but it's best to learn and develop an intuitive understanding so that you can become closer to your system and understand the nuances and interplay that exists in your reef.
Thank you yes this all makes sense will be going back to re-read posts. I just love the idea and when you spoke on the pod cast about nutrition for our bodies and compared to the reef it makes perfect sense. I am nervous cause im sure there are risks but will go back read all the info and as always start slow and low and test alot. I am currently running weekly icp and dosing trace as needed and have noticed a significant difference in all my corals from my acros to lps with growth and color. Thank you for your time! Cheers
Could you reference this? It would be interesting to read. If I remember correctly there was a study that showed that corals had a pretty high impact on the bacterial density of the water. Not sure about what "ratio" you're looking for. It is probably dependent on the food you use and your system's density. This is also dependent on the system's general water parameters as the corals should be in an optimal environment to begin with to allow them the best chances to properly feed.
I would also love to find an alternative to this, I wonder if anyone else has any experience on what it could potentially be.
I don't think the products I mix have any anti-synergistic effects. It doesn't appear to impact bacterial growth as I still see the bacterial films forming after about 1 day. I've also topped off the concoction with fresh sw as I ran low and saw the bacterial films repopulate.
Either way the same thing will happen in your tank, the isolation just allows you to optimize your products.
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