Specific Superglue brand

[Naekuh]

You just use a very thin super glue and marco powder... or you can crush up your rocks and use that.


But the marco powder works the best, but it will cause a LOT of poisonous gas as it bonds.

I use Glue Masters Ultra Thin when i do that for NSA scapes.

Glue Masters Ultra Thin CA Glue — 16ozDefault Title

Glue Masters Ultra Thin CA glue (05 CPS) in a professional 16oz bottle. Water-thin viscosity wicks into tight joints instantly. Ideal for woodworking, coral fragging & precision bonding. Made in USA.

gluemasters.com

 

[ArashS1347]

You just use a very thin super glue and marco powder... or you can crush up your rocks and use that.


But the marco powder works the best, but it will cause a LOT of poisonous gas as it bonds.

I use Glue Masters Ultra Thin when i do that for NSA scapes.

Glue Masters Ultra Thin CA Glue — 16ozDefault Title

Glue Masters Ultra Thin CA glue (05 CPS) in a professional 16oz bottle. Water-thin viscosity wicks into tight joints instantly. Ideal for woodworking, coral fragging & precision bonding. Made in USA.

gluemasters.com

Oh I didn't know this one is aquarium safe, perfect.

Thank you very much

 

[Naekuh]

Oh I didn't know this one is aquarium safe, perfect.

Thank you very much

i have tried the other brands... they don't compare to the real glue masters.
Anyone that has used the real glue master will say its like bootleg moonshine vs aged whiskey.

But when you do it, make sure you are outside in a well ventilated area.
When the glue bonds, it releases Cyanide Gas and get really hot, which well, i don't think i need to say more.
So don't do it indoors unless you have some form of ventilator, and air scrubber.

 

[ArashS1347]

i have tried the other brands... they don't compare to the real glue masters.
Anyone that has used the real glue master will say its like bootleg moonshine vs aged whiskey.

But when you do it, make sure you are outside in a well ventilated area.
When the glue bonds, it releases Cyanide Gas and get really hot, which well, i don't think i need to say more.
So don't do it indoors unless you have some form of ventilator, and air scrubber.

That's a great advise, surely will do it outside.
Really appreciate it.

 

[Dburr1014]

Oh I didn't know this one is aquarium safe, perfect.

Thank you very much

Cyanoacrylate is reef safe. That is the same ingredient in *most* of the superglue.
One can't be better than another if it's the same ingredient. Right?

Do layers... Sand, glue, sand, glue, until it's built up how you like it. It will "smoke" and get hot.

 

[Naekuh]

One can't be better than another if it's the same ingredient. Right?

Actually you'd be surprised that there are different formulas and some are vastly superior then others.
For example BSI makes great thick gel glue, i use it a lot for attaching frags, while seachem stuff you might as well throw away.

I use the glue masters for rockwork, because again, nothing comes close to it.

But yes in general its all the same.

 

[NanoNana]

Yeah, I'm trying to find a safe glue somebody already used.

Thank you

Cyanoacrylate or ethyl cyanoacrylate. Brand doesn’t matter as far as safety goes if those are your only ingredients.

Are you gluing this in an already established tank? I’m afraid of epoxy because the VOC’s are horrible. If I can’t expose the parrots to it, it’s not going in with my fish but that’s just me.

 

[Rappa]

I would not use in direct contact with a coral. There is a chemical reaction.
Rock to rock, no issues. I have mounted a gorgonian that was attached to a small rock fragment to attached it to a bigger rock in the tank with no issues; again no contact directly with the coral.

That's basically what I was asking... Can the accelerator be used to glue a plug or a rock to a structure in the tank without poisoning the water? Have you done this with your Gorg? What i want to do, is put a dab of glue/gel on a rock in the tank, put a dab on the coral plug/rock, hit the plug with a drop of accelerator, then immediately go into the tank to have it set instantly... I read that once it contacts the glue and you can smell that nice fragrant smell from the reaction, that it is non-toxic... but I don't want to chance it unless I know for sure it's ok. Thx for the reply!

 

[Dburr1014]

That's basically what I was asking... Can the accelerator be used to glue a plug or a rock to a structure in the tank without poisoning the water? Have you done this with your Gorg? What i want to do, is put a dab of glue/gel on a rock in the tank, put a dab on the coral plug/rock, hit the plug with a drop of accelerator, then immediately go into the tank to have it set instantly... I read that once it contacts the glue and you can smell that nice fragrant smell from the reaction, that it is non-toxic... but I don't want to chance it unless I know for sure it's ok. Thx for the reply!

I will answer again.

I wouldn't use it. If I remember right, it's a chemical to speed up drying time, like acetone or isopropyl. They evaporate quickly. Don't use acetone on coral.

Fun fact, dip in water right after applying the glue and it immediately sets. Why? The lack of air sets it.

 

[Dburr1014]

That's basically what I was asking... Can the accelerator be used to glue a plug or a rock to a structure in the tank without poisoning the water? Have you done this with your Gorg? What i want to do, is put a dab of glue/gel on a rock in the tank, put a dab on the coral plug/rock, hit the plug with a drop of accelerator, then immediately go into the tank to have it set instantly... I read that once it contacts the glue and you can smell that nice fragrant smell from the reaction, that it is non-toxic... but I don't want to chance it unless I know for sure it's ok. Thx for the reply!

To add to my previous post:

If the accelerator is completely evaporated, it is safe to use in the tank.

But not needed as I explained earlier.

 

[Rappa]

Thanks bud I heard you the first time. I'm not looking for opinions because I already have the same opinion you are referring to. I'm trying to gather if anyone knows for a "fact" that it can or cannot be done. And no offense meant here, but no glue sets immediately under water. You always have to hold it in position for a period of time, which is not instant...

 

[Dburr1014]

Thanks bud I heard you the first time. I'm not looking for opinions because I already have the same opinion you are referring to. I'm trying to gather if anyone knows for a "fact" that it can or cannot be done. And no offense meant here, but no glue sets immediately under water. You always have to hold it in position for a period of time, which is not instant...

Okay...

Happy Reefing, bud.

 

[Dburr1014]

Thanks bud I heard you the first time. I'm not looking for opinions because I already have the same opinion you are referring to. I'm trying to gather if anyone knows for a "fact" that it can or cannot be done. And no offense meant here, but no glue sets immediately under water. You always have to hold it in position for a period of time, which is not instant...

https://www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-does-super-glue-work#:~:text=As%20soon%20as%20cyanoacrylate%20molecules,the%20glue%20will%20not%20harden.

 

[ArashS1347]

Cyanoacrylate is reef safe. That is the same ingredient in *most* of the superglue.
One can't be better than another if it's the same ingredient. Right?

Do layers... Sand, glue, sand, glue, until it's built up how you like it. It will "smoke" and get hot.

Yes that's right.

Thank you very much

 

[ArashS1347]

Cyanoacrylate or ethyl cyanoacrylate. Brand doesn’t matter as far as safety goes if those are your only ingredients.

Are you gluing this in an already established tank? I’m afraid of epoxy because the VOC’s are horrible. If I can’t expose the parrots to it, it’s not going in with my fish but that’s just me.

No its not stablished yet, my plan is to start it after I finished the stones, I will test the superglue first before mixing the superglue and E Proxy technique, as far as other friends advised, the super glue and sand should be enough.

Thank you very much

 

[Naekuh]

i think the accelerator is just alcohol and baking soda...

I know home made accelerator is baking soda. When in doubt just make it yourself then.

 

[Tidal Gardens Verified Sponsor]

Hello Guys,

I have a heavy Hakkai stone that needs support from a smaller one to stay in place. I’ve tried various brands of gel superglue, but none have worked, not at all!

I’ve seen many European aquascapers on YouTube use a thin, runny superglue with a small piece of cotton to attach large stones together in seconds. However, despite searching forums, I haven't found any specific safe thin superglue brand recommended in the US by people who have actually used them successfully without harming their tanks.

I also read many comments suggesting that E Proxy is not very effective for large stones. So, I have two choices: the simple thin superglue method or E Macro 400. I prefer the thin superglue method, as E Macro 400 takes time to order, prepare, and wait for it to set.

My question is do you guys have any recommendations for a specific safe thin superglue brand available in the US that I can use without worrying about harming my tank?

Thanks in advanced

We use the @Glue Masters thin glue with sand. Its very easy to use and we have had zero issues in any of our tanks that have used this.

 

[Rappa]

i think the accelerator is just alcohol and baking soda...

I know home made accelerator is baking soda. When in doubt just make it yourself then.

I'm gonna give this a try Thx for sharing!

 

[DanyL]

Has anyone used the accelerator for mounting corals? I know it's harmless after the glue hardens and accelerator dries. I'm wondering if it would have poisonous effects while the accelerant is still wet? For example, if I globbed some glue to a coral, plug, or a rock, put a drop of this on it, then go right into the tank to mount it, will it poison the water? It doesn't specify on the instructions or the bottle... THX

I use it regularly when fragging, especially with larger pieces where they aren’t stable on the plug by their own.

I’m talking about all kinds of corals, including LPS and SPS, from the most sensitive ones to the least sensitive ones.

I usually put some glue, place the coral and while holding the coral in place - quickly spray it from all sides - it immediately holds it in place, just enough so that I could place that frag inside a small tub of saltwater right after.

The only important thing to remember is that superglue heats up when reacting with the accelerator, so it really is only used to hold the frag in place until you can dip it to cool it down and then let it fully cure in the water.

Inside the tank, or for frags that don’t require weird and unstable positions - I simply dip them in water as quickly as I can and they start curing, without the need for an accelerator.

 

[Rappa]

I use it regularly when fragging, especially with larger pieces where they aren’t stable on the plug by their own.

I’m talking about all kinds of corals, including LPS and SPS, from the most sensitive ones to the least sensitive ones.

I usually put some glue, place the coral and while holding the coral in place - quickly spray it from all sides - it immediately holds it in place, just enough so that I could place that frag inside a small tub of saltwater right after.

The only important thing to remember is that superglue heats up when reacting with the accelerator, so it really is only used to hold the frag in place until you can dip it to cool it down and then let it fully cure in the water.

Inside the tank, or for frags that don’t require weird and unstable positions - I simply dip them in water as quickly as I can and they start curing, without the need for an accelerator.

That's good to know Thx! So you go from spraying your frags, into a separate container of salt water? Never directly into the tank to mount them? That's more of what I am wondering... will it contaminate the water in the display if I used it the way you are using it...

PS - I have not done this, I was just wondering.