SPS frag survival percentage

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Just wondering what are the survival rates of small frags purchased online. My survival rate is pretty crummy

For those who have a good survival rate are you growing your frags out in a drag tank or in your display
 
Both for me at least. Are you trying different vendors? What happens to frags you buy at your lfs?
 
Yup need more specifics.

Lighting, dosing, parameters.

I have grown big colonies out of nubs but that was dependent on the my tank. My personal choice is to buy larger frags that just works for me, but a lot of hobbyist grow out small frags in their systems without issue.
 
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I am running radions G4. I have a par. of 350 at the surface. Running 2 mp 40s. My light schedule is a 12 hr length with a gradual ramp up and down. Max intensity is 4 hours
pH 8.12 apex
alk 8.6 Hanna
phos 0-.5 ulr Hanna
Nitrate 5
Ca 430 Hanna
Mg 1300 Red Sea
Dosing Ca and alk with BRS 2 part
Just started using Red Sea A&B as well as their element supplements. Sent water off for analysis and all was in normal range. I have some frags that are doing great A bonzai and geeen slimerbthat are both growing well. Also a few montis that are growing well
My issue is that when I get new frags they loose color in a week or two. Turn purple and do nothing. I end up tossing them after a couple of months. My survival rate is very poor. I loose more frags than survive
Tank is about 10 months
 
My issue is that when I get new frags they loose color in a week or two. Turn purple and do nothing. I end up tossing them after a couple of months. My survival rate is very poor. I loose more frags than survive
Tank is about 10 months

You tossed them 'cause they don't survive or they stay purple and do nothing?
 
I have been thinking about this as well, my experience has been hit or miss with frags. Some grow into huge colony some died off. I have been experimenting with feeding Phyto more, the key for me is if frag has polyps extension that's a good sign, if not just a matter of time before it bleach out. Some frags does not do well in my tank, my past trouble have been Oregon tort and Ice fire. I think these 2 requires absolute stable ALK.
 
IMHO- " tank is about 10 months" could be one of the concerns.

I also thing frags less than ~1" have a higher mortality rate, at least for me.
 
I can't keep zoa frags very long, but palys are no problem. Sps frags, I tend to buy from my trusted LFS and try to buy the largest frags that look healthy with good polyp extension. At least 1" or larger. Never have lost one since starting my current system back in 2014. Knock on wood! Lol

All growing well with good color, good polyp extensions and encrusting their plugs on to the rock work.( I dip EVERYTHING before placing into my DT.)

It real depends on just how healthy they are, acclimation, water pramameters, lighting, placement, food.... on if they do well or struggle. Healthy specimen, acclimation and proper placement being tops at first.
 
Small frags are very sensitive to any changes in water quality at all. From my experience. Finding the proper spot to introduce a frag into your tank can be tricky. In my current tank it took me several months to find the perfect spot. If you have bee using the same spot to introduce frags and have been having issues I would move your frag rack to another spot in the tank.
 
Shipped frags are already stressed out from shipping. If your water parameters are not to it's liking then it's a double whammy.
 
The best way to acclimate small frag is put it in a low light place for at least 2 to 3 weeks prefer frag tanks so u can move them around easier. when u see the base start growing that the sign that the frag adjusting to your tank then u can move to your display. As far as colors it's hard to control because colors are base on lighting and water chemistry
 
I am running radions G4. I have a par. of 350 at the surface. Running 2 mp 40s. My light schedule is a 12 hr length with a gradual ramp up and down. Max intensity is 4 hours
pH 8.12 apex
alk 8.6 Hanna
phos 0-.5 ulr Hanna
Nitrate 5
Ca 430 Hanna
Mg 1300 Red Sea
Dosing Ca and alk with BRS 2 part
Just started using Red Sea A&B as well as their element supplements. Sent water off for analysis and all was in normal range. I have some frags that are doing great A bonzai and geeen slimerbthat are both growing well. Also a few montis that are growing well
My issue is that when I get new frags they loose color in a week or two. Turn purple and do nothing. I end up tossing them after a couple of months. My survival rate is very poor. I loose more frags than survive
Tank is about 10 months

How are you acclimating the frags? As mentioned shipping can be stressful?
 
Shipped frags are already stressed out from shipping. If your water parameters are not to it's liking then it's a double whammy.

This is really it I think. Half of the battle is ensuring that you have a stable nurturing environment, and the other half is knowing some details of where your frag came from and making the transition easy.

For example, Two Guys and TCSB and a few other vendors that I buy SPS from, I know their typical ALK levels and such and I try to mimic these to make the transition easy (in the absence of info, I would try to mimic natural sea water, which is ALK of like 7 dKh and low nutrients, which is what I think a lot of coral vendors do). That being said, I think some like WWC uses some totally different params, so basically know where you are getting stuff from and start there.

For frags, even small ones, I'd say I have a 80-90% survival rate. I attribute my losses to either my tough dip process or my parameters being too different from the source.
 
I find that the LFS that have similar light parameters and water don't even need acclimating. I'll take stuff from certain stores and I won't dip or anything. Just straight outta the bag into the tank and I see polyp extension within minutes, not hours.

One local store uses real ocean water (I use Red Sea) and everything from them dies or takes forever to work out the brown.
 
So far I have not lost any frags dipping and then placing where i want them in the display. The only online vendor I really use is WWC. Would like to give battlecorals a shot soon.
 
Hi, Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your frags. In my opinion, the maturity of the tank makes a BIG DIFFERENCE. You have stated that your tank is only 10 month old. Young tank can't support the life of many different corals, especially Acro. It took me 2.5-3 years to mature the tank in order to successfully keep and grow acropora and other corals.
Good Luck on this great hobby.
 
Hi, Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your frags. In my opinion, the maturity of the tank makes a BIG DIFFERENCE. You have stated that your tank is only 10 month old. Young tank can't support the life of many different corals, especially Acro. It took me 2.5-3 years to mature the tank in order to successfully keep and grow acropora and other corals.
Good Luck on this great hobby.
I disagree completly if his tank is new and he is testing daily and monitoring everything and has had an sps tank before and knows how to make a successful tank then I completly disagree.

I have had my tank up for three months and within the first month and a half I added 32 frags. None have died. And the two that didn't ship well have recovered and are growing.

I fully believe that (besides maby a coral here and there because they are sps and of course after the cycle) if a frag dies with a week or two of putting in your tank the frag was either clipped and shipped way to small of a frag and or came from a not so good vendor.

If you do your research and find high quality sps sellers that will limit the death. People like battle corals jason fox or wwc or even hobiest like aquavista or spspirate who have a religious qt program and who sell corals that are encrusted on the plugs people who won't ship the frags till a week or two after you pay those frags are healthy and have the best chance of thriving in your system. You pay a little more for the corals but the quality is there in that u know they are not coming in with pest and you also know theses corals had time to recover from having there body chopped off.

I don't believe tank age has anything to do with a frag dieing or not at least not in a week or two. There are tons of threads on this site of people setting up a tank and a month later it's filled with frags and then a year or two later those frags are colonies.

Just my opinion of course and you could be right. Now u said u had a problem in the first two and a half years But did you test alk and calcium everyday and replenish what was absorbed trace elements and all and did u have the proper equiptment to succeed from the beginning the right flow the right lighting proper skimmer and way to control the temp?

Corals aren't like fish they don't really need biological filtration as much as fish do as long as ammonia stays at 0 then corals will be fine.

There are tons of frag tanks out there with no fish or massive amounts of rocks in them so that's a new tank right? What biological filtration do they have? Some rocks in the sump? That's nothing. Corals consume nitrate and phosphate not add it to the system

I'm not trying to pick a fight either I'm just trying to broaden ur vision. Everyone's vision because to me that's one of those things brs could do reef certainty or reef myth.

To me it's an easy answer to give to someone instead of looking into what can be done to have a successful sps tank after a cycle. Cause think about it most hobbiest when they first start out struggle to have fish let alone corals and to do the proper reasearch and get the proper equiptment to have sps corals isn't easy or cheap.

That's all sorry for the rant and hope u don't think I was trying to pick a fight
 
I disagree completly if his tank is new and he is testing daily and monitoring everything and has had an sps tank before and knows how to make a successful tank then I completly disagree.

I have had my tank up for three months and within the first month and a half I added 32 frags. None have died. And the two that didn't ship well have recovered and are growing.

I fully believe that (besides maby a coral here and there because they are sps and of course after the cycle) if a frag dies with a week or two of putting in your tank the frag was either clipped and shipped way to small of a frag and or came from a not so good vendor.

If you do your research and find high quality sps sellers that will limit the death. People like battle corals jason fox or wwc or even hobiest like aquavista or spspirate who have a religious qt program and who sell corals that are encrusted on the plugs people who won't ship the frags till a week or two after you pay those frags are healthy and have the best chance of thriving in your system. You pay a little more for the corals but the quality is there in that u know they are not coming in with pest and you also know theses corals had time to recover from having there body chopped off.

I don't believe tank age has anything to do with a frag dieing or not at least not in a week or two. There are tons of threads on this site of people setting up a tank and a month later it's filled with frags and then a year or two later those frags are colonies.

Just my opinion of course and you could be right. Now u said u had a problem in the first two and a half years But did you test alk and calcium everyday and replenish what was absorbed trace elements and all and did u have the proper equiptment to succeed from the beginning the right flow the right lighting proper skimmer and way to control the temp?

Corals aren't like fish they don't really need biological filtration as much as fish do as long as ammonia stays at 0 then corals will be fine.

There are tons of frag tanks out there with no fish or massive amounts of rocks in them so that's a new tank right? What biological filtration do they have? Some rocks in the sump? That's nothing. Corals consume nitrate and phosphate not add it to the system

I'm not trying to pick a fight either I'm just trying to broaden ur vision. Everyone's vision because to me that's one of those things brs could do reef certainty or reef myth.

To me it's an easy answer to give to someone instead of looking into what can be done to have a successful sps tank after a cycle. Cause think about it most hobbiest when they first start out struggle to have fish let alone corals and to do the proper reasearch and get the proper equiptment to have sps corals isn't easy or cheap.

That's all sorry for the rant and hope u don't think I was trying to pick a fight

I agree that you have to carefully choose your vendors. I am well aware that it is 100, if not 1000 ways to successfully run coral reef tank. All I wanted to do is share my experience and help fellow reefer.

BTW, half of my acros are wild colonies or fresh cut, and I do not see any issues with it. They are happy and grow very well. Best Regards.
 
Thanks for all the input. Seems like sometimes it is trial and error finding the correct place for the corals.
 
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