switching from 2 part to kalk.

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I'm planning to switch from 2 part dosing to kalkwasser. Everything has been good with my alk between 8-11 dkh, but I dose 30ml each once a day and I would rather go with a steady drip of one additive, kalkwasser seemed like a good option.

Any advice?
 
I switched to kalk about 3 years ago. It was easier for me since i already had to add top of water. I drip about 1/2 gallon each day. I make 5 gallons each week. The jug is sealed except air vent so it will last. The only draw back i have found is now my alk needs outweigh my calcium. So i am also adding a doser to compensate. But kalk drip is easier and cheaper BRS brand.
 
I used to do the diy two part plus a little kalk added to my top off water.

my .02
 
I have been dripping kalk for 5 months now. The calcium level has stayed between 420-440 for the duration. I have to supplement alk about once or twice a week to keep it 8.3-8.6. The amount of alk that kalk will dose will be determined by how much co² is in the tank. The reaction from the hydroxide mixing with the co² results in the alk.

Great read here

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-01/rhf/
 
I have been only dosing kalk for a year and a half. I do it through my topoff. Things stay pretty stable and it's really easy. My top off jug is 25 gallons so one batch lasts me over a week.

I don't worry about the issue of degradation fro air exposure because I've read that the degradation is so minimal. There's a Randy Holmes Farley article in it.

I plan on using kalk for a long time. When it is no longer effective, I'll add vinegar to it to supersaturate the water.

You should go for it.
 
I have a 5 gallon top off reservoir on an 80 gallon system. Top off res seems to last 4-5 days.
 
This is my ato kalk doser lol
 

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Nice. I think I'll end up with something like that... But with a 2.5 gallon bucket.
 
Its very simple and effective. I only go through 1 gallon every 3 days. With mine I have to keep an eye on the drip and make sure its not too slow or too fast. If its fast I tighten the knot. If its slow I just squeeze the knot until I get the right drip. For this tank 1 drop every 8 seconds seems to do the trick.
 
Kalk seems to degrade in time with air contact. This was my case but my kalk topoff would be over a week. I read it can last a few days without degrade and slowly after that. A few gallons a week open air is no problem. My kalk drip container is mix drip all in one. It has air vent on top as well as the drip hose is about an inch from bottom as to not get any of the milky sediment in your tank. For me it seems 4 drips per 9 seconds is about 1/2 gallon a day. I have a drip valve.
 
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Here's my kalk doser. I have a 5 gallon hooked to a float for ato. I was going to drip the kalk, but I think I will just try it as my ato water.

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I'm planning to switch from 2 part dosing to kalkwasser. Everything has been good with my alk between 8-11 dkh, but I dose 30ml each once a day and I would rather go with a steady drip of one additive, kalkwasser seemed like a good option.

Any advice?

While there are a hundred ways to do kalk and have it work out OK, there's really only one way I think people "should" do kalk. That's mixed with vinegar and through a simple reactor (whether DIY or retail) like the Tunze 5074 with no moving parts. The reactor makes it nicer, but you can also do well without it.

Follow these directions....I'd actually skip the reefkeeping.com article (and any other directions for dosing kalk) until later...it's good, but much less to the point in your case.

I switched to kalk about 3 years ago. It was easier for me since i already had to add top of water. I drip about 1/2 gallon each day. I make 5 gallons each week. The jug is sealed except air vent so it will last. The only draw back i have found is now my alk needs outweigh my calcium. So i am also adding a doser to compensate. But kalk drip is easier and cheaper BRS brand.

It's normal for there to be a little "overdraft" of alk when using a balanced additive, but it should be pretty minor. If it's more than that, check your Mg levels (there is none in Kalk) and make sure your test kits aren't expired.

I have been dripping kalk for 5 months now. The calcium level has stayed between 420-440 for the duration. I have to supplement alk about once or twice a week to keep it 8.3-8.6. The amount of alk that kalk will dose will be determined by how much co² is in the tank. The reaction from the hydroxide mixing with the co² results in the alk.
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This is what makes dosing kalk with vinegar superior....100% reaction (into calcium acetate) prior to going in the tank. Almost couldn't be safer and lasts almost indefinitely without issues like precipitation. Dosing vinegar to the tank could possibly be considered a side-benefit. Check out the link above and try it out once. :)

[...]I don't worry about the issue of degradation fro air exposure because I've read that the degradation is so minimal.[...]

I plan on using kalk for a long time. When it is no longer effective, I'll add vinegar to it to supersaturate the water.[...]

The degredation due to precipitation is only a huge issue if you stir or otherwise mix your kalkwasser once everything is dissolved - then you get a constant low-grade precipitation from the new CO2 entering the water.....otherwise if the reservoir is left still, only the top several millimeters of water should be affected and may even form a crust of chalk.

This is what makes a reactor like the Tunze 5074 nice to have....the kalk chamber is totally sealed. (Less important if you're always pre-mixing with vinegar.)

Its very simple and effective. I only go through 1 gallon every 3 days. With mine I have to keep an eye on the drip and make sure its not too slow or too fast. If its fast I tighten the knot. If its slow I just squeeze the knot until I get the right drip. For this tank 1 drop every 8 seconds seems to do the trick.

Airline always collapses on itself and will never hold a reliable drip rate. Granted it's cheap to replace airline (I bought a 500' roll of airline so I'd never have to worry again) but plz do yourself a favor and spend $5 on a pack of Topfin airline valves (my cheapie-favorite), or if you can't find those get a pack of 1/4" drip-irrigation valves. Control and consistency with a valve are so much better and the cost is tiny. There's more in this thread.

Hope this helps! :)

-Matt
 
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Any advise in boosting alkalinity with kalkwasser? It appears my kalk dosing can not keep up with my alkalinity needs.
 
Any advise in boosting alkalinity with kalkwasser? It appears my kalk dosing can not keep up with my alkalinity needs.

Just have some baking soda on hand and use the Reef Chemistry Calculator to make periodic corrections. Again, check your test kits and Mg levels (Mg is not supplemented thru kalkwasser) if you're seeing what seems like a large disparity in alk usage.

You can boost the lime saturation beyond kalkwasser using vinegar, but it's still a balanced Ca:alk ratio.

-Matt
 
Actually, it looks like there was a precipitation issue. Maybe too much kalk too quick? I we through a gallon in one day. I think the skimmer was running wet.
 

So I disolved 3t of kalk powder with 90ml of vinegar (per the instructions, 15ml vinegar to 1/2t kalk), then diluted it in a little under 2 gallons. my question is, does it need to sit and settle for a few hours like normal kalkwasser?

also, does the powder need to completely dissolve in the vinegar before diluting?

when I mixed it w/ the vinegar the powder did not completely dissolve. looked a bit like chalky milk. then when I diluted in fresh water the resulting solution was definitely a bit cloudy. I'm letting it sit for a while before I start using it, but I'm hesitant since I'm not sure if I mixed it right.
 
Sounds right. It doesn't dissolve to a clear liquid, and it should be ready to use immediately. As long as you used at least the "stoichiometric minimum" amount of vinegar (more is fine), all the powder should be fully reacted from calcium hydroxide into calcium acetate, so there's nothing left that's "off limits" to dose. (Love it!)

FWIW, Tropic Marin sells Bio-Calcium, which is more or less a pre-made version of what you're making. It would be a perfectly acceptable substitute for maximum convenience.

-Matt
 
My ph is a creeping up... 8.4 right now. So. I am hoping the vinegar method balances it out.
 
My ph is a creeping up... 8.4 right now. So. I am hoping the vinegar method balances it out.

pH is pretty much dictated by the amount of CO2 in the air. As long as your alkalinity is pretty close to correct, your pH will come correct with aeration.

Using vinegar will prevent the pH spikes from happening in the first place though. :)

-Matt
 
Wow. I could definitely spend hours picking apart this thread but......

The best way to dose kalk is via dosing pump. Evaporation does not stay constant. Also it should be noted that vinegar is usually added to kalk to increase the amount dissolved and giving it a more concentrated dose. It will also help with pH problems if the user has them but I have dosed straight kalk for years with no problem. If consumption isn't high enough It will cause rising levels.

Using vinegar also allows impurities in the kalk to be dosed directly to your tank instead of letting them precipitate out in your mixing tub or reactor.

Since the op stated he is having a hard time keeping up with alk demand I could see adding vinegar but for most tanks it is unnecessary.

What is the daily consumption of this tank? A person could easily figure how much kalk is needed with tank size and daily consumption. I personally would figure how much you needed before dumping it in.
 
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