Tailspot wound

Mschmidt · Jul 21, 2023

I think he got tagged by a rock or other fish. I haven't seen substantial aggression in the tank and no one is new. He's in qt with melafix right now. Anything else I should be doing?

KrisReef · Jul 21, 2023

Feed the patient fresh copped clams and keep the water parameters perfect with stable medication and that fish will heal and live to return to the DT where something may take another bite out of him? Oh, and make sure you tell him you expect him to live and thrive. They need to know your prognosis and expectations so they can live up to them.
GL

vetteguy53081 · Jul 21, 2023

Mschmidt said:
I think he got tagged by a rock or other fish. I haven't seen substantial aggression in the tank and no one is new. He's in qt with melafix right now. Anything else I should be doing?

While it can be another fish, these guys are notorious for hanging on power heads which become a vegimatic machine. This looks like a bite or wound. What other fish do you have in the tank with him?

Treatment will be in quarantine using seachem Kanaplex and if and how it heals- Time will tell

Tailspot eats lots of algae as you may know and fine foods like mysis and brine shrimp. I dont see this fish eating clams with its small digestive system

KrisReef · Jul 21, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
While it can be another fish, these guys are notorious for hanging on power heads which become a vegimatic machine. This looks like a bite or wound. What other fish do you have in the tank with him?

Treatment will be in quarantine using seachem Kanaplex and if and how it heals- Time will tell

Tailspot eats lots of algae as you may know and fine foods like mysis and brine shrimp. I dont see this fish eating clams with its small digestive system

Yup, so chop them up. Fishes go crazy for fresh clams, ime.

Jay Hemdal · Jul 21, 2023

Mschmidt said:
I think he got tagged by a rock or other fish. I haven't seen substantial aggression in the tank and no one is new. He's in qt with melafix right now. Anything else I should be doing?

That’s a very serious, large lesion. A fish’s skin is how they manage osmotic balance with the seawater. With this much skin damaged, the fish has difficulty balancing their blood salt levels.

Can you lower the salinity and dose with an antibiotic? I would use Neoplex.

Jay

Mschmidt · Jul 21, 2023

I can lower salinity pretty easily. I will drop in an algae wafer for him to snack on and get some antibiotics tomorrow.

I have on hand melafix, rally pro, copper (likely too harsh), a blue one (bottle leaked a while ago and I had to repackage it. It's old. Probably not good anymore). Any of these work?

Edit I will also make a point to talk optimistically to him.

Edit part 2: blue is paraguard

Jay Hemdal · Jul 22, 2023

Mschmidt said:
I can lower salinity pretty easily. I will drop in an algae wafer for him to snack on and get some antibiotics tomorrow.

I have on hand melafix, rally pro, copper (likely too harsh), a blue one (bottle leaked a while ago and I had to repackage it. It's old. Probably not good anymore). Any of these work?

Edit I will also make a point to talk optimistically to him.

Edit part 2: blue is paraguard

None of those products will help in this case, except *maybe* Rally Pro because it has acriflavine in it. Still, a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic would be better - Neoplex for example. Maracyn 1 and 2 used together would be another choice.

Jay

Mschmidt · Jul 22, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
None of those products will help in this case, except *maybe* Rally Pro because it has acriflavine in it. Still, a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic would be better - Neoplex for example. Maracyn 1 and 2 used together would be another choice.

Jay

Thanks Jay. I'll pick some up.

KrisReef · Jul 22, 2023

Mschmidt said:
Thanks Jay. I'll pick some up.

Keep us updated on the results, please.

Weeb · Jul 22, 2023

Mschmidt said:
I think he got tagged by a rock or other fish. I haven't seen substantial aggression in the tank and no one is new. He's in qt with melafix right now. Anything else I should be doing?

Really bad lesion. I hope the fish pulls through.

I'm not supportive of algae pellets. Will the fish eat seaweed or nori? Provide as much as it will eat, plus like @vetteguy53081 suggested, some meaty foods like mysis. Avoid feeding adult brine shrimp. There is also frozen mini-mysis too.

The following is not in place of the recommended treatment by @Jay Hemdal and others.
In addition to the recommended treatment, help the fish by improving its immunity and ability to heal wounds by adding supplements for an ill fish to its diet as recommended in the Fish Health Trough Proper Nutrition post. Use especially Beta-1,3/1,6-D-Glucan found online, in health-food stores, and some pharmacies. Instructions for its use are found in that link.

Reef. · Jul 22, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
Tailspot eats lots of algae as you may know and fine foods like mysis and brine shrimp. I dont see this fish eating clams with its small digestive system

My TS loves clams, he will try and eat pieces far too big for him, he will spit it out the keep biting pieces off it, the only foods I have tried that he won’t eat are plankton and nori, the two foods you would think he would eat.

Reef. · Jul 22, 2023

He looks very stressed in that photo, have you put in caves for him? If you do not think it’s fighting I would get him back in the display as soon as possible, stress will kill him if you don’t.

My TS bangs his sides all the time, trying to fit into too small of a hole, he heals within days, not saying that is what has happened to yours, but remember salt water is a great healer itself.

Edit. Forgot I can in large the image, that looks really bad, probably best treating in a QT but please put in loads of hiding places for him.

Mschmidt · Jul 22, 2023

Here's what I got. Loki is in. 5 gallon tank with round 1 of maracyn. Cycled media from the display and a flower pot I use as a hide in my qt tanks. SG is low at 1.021. there's an ammonia badge to keep p an eye on that. I'll follow the packages directions for treatment.

A sheet of nori of in there and I will shave off frozen when I get everything else are night. From yesterday, the white fuzz is down but now looks like a flesh wound. I'm cautiously hopeful but that's a big wind on a small body.

Mschmidt · Jul 22, 2023

Weeb said:
Really bad lesion. I hope the fish pulls through.

I'm not supportive of algae pellets. Will the fish eat seaweed or nori? Provide as much as it will eat, plus like @vetteguy53081 suggested, some meaty foods like mysis. Avoid feeding adult brine shrimp. There is also frozen mini-mysis too.

The following is not in place of the recommended treatment by @Jay Hemdal and others.
In addition to the recommended treatment, help the fish by improving its immunity and ability to heal wounds by adding supplements for an ill fish to its diet as recommended in the Fish Health Trough Proper Nutrition post. Use especially Beta-1,3/1,6-D-Glucan found online, in health-food stores, and some pharmacies. Instructions for its use are found in that link.

I had seen that thread to. But it was a lot of information for me to process. Thanks for the distillation. I'll check out the thread again too.

Jay Hemdal · Jul 22, 2023

Mschmidt said:
Here's what I got. Loki is in. 5 gallon tank with round 1 of maracyn. Cycled media from the display and a flower pot I use as a hide in my qt tanks. SG is low at 1.021. there's an ammonia badge to keep p an eye on that. I'll follow the packages directions for treatment.

A sheet of nori of in there and I will shave off frozen when I get everything else are night. From yesterday, the white fuzz is down but now looks like a flesh wound. I'm cautiously hopeful but that's a big wind on a small body.

But you should use Maracyn 1 AND Maracyn 2 at the same time…….
Jay

Mschmidt · Jul 23, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
But you should use Maracyn 1 AND Maracyn 2 at the same time…….
Jay

Only saw the pack labeled maracyn. It didn't have any designations 1 or 2.
This stuff:

https://www.chewy.com/fritz-aquatics-mardel-maracyn-water/dp/910766?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=15783018857&utm_content=Fritz%20Aquatics&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_O2lBhCFARIsAB0E8B9DqoKAy4uj59DwRtaYRwbz2uhf-w4f4sx_g5hxltbTVx-GWMV8z2IaAgyyEALw_wcB

Edit: but now I see the maracyn 2.

Jay Hemdal · Jul 23, 2023

Mschmidt said:
Only saw the pack labeled maracyn. It didn't have any designations 1 or 2.
This stuff:

https://www.chewy.com/fritz-aquatics-mardel-maracyn-water/dp/910766?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=15783018857&utm_content=Fritz%20Aquatics&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_O2lBhCFARIsAB0E8B9DqoKAy4uj59DwRtaYRwbz2uhf-w4f4sx_g5hxltbTVx-GWMV8z2IaAgyyEALw_wcB

Edit: but now I see the maracyn 2.

Yes, Chewy carries both. How long will delivery take? I’m worried it might not be soon enough.
Jay

Mschmidt · Jul 23, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
Yes, Chewy carries both. How long will delivery take? I’m worried it might not be soon enough.
Jay

Paid double chewies price and had to lift the embargo I have with another lfs, but I got ten maracyn 2. He also gave mose methylene blue and suggested dabbing it on the wound. I'm having a hard time valuing the slight at the level I did.

Jay Hemdal · Jul 23, 2023

Mschmidt said:
Paid double chewies price and had to lift the embargo I have with another lfs, but I got ten maracyn 2. He also gave mose methylene blue and suggested dabbing it on the wound. I'm having a hard time valuing the slight at the level I did.

I'm not sure topical methylene blue is the way to go here - it adds lots of handling stress, and none of my formularies list that route of treatment. the trouble is, methylene blue is made as a stock solution, but at different concentrations by different companies, so dabbing some on can give very different doses.....

Jay

Mschmidt · Jul 23, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
I'm not sure topical methylene blue is the way to go here - it adds lots of handling stress, and none of my formularies list that route of treatment. the trouble is, methylene blue is made as a stock solution, but at different concentrations by different companies, so dabbing some on can give very different doses.....

Jay

I'll abstain then.