Kworker
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Tang in a Nano??
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Not sure if I should LOL or if troll...
Nope. Just giving credence to what usually happens when things get legislated. No offense meant.
I like that. I consider my fish pets and really try and provide the best for them. I get really upset if one of my fish gets sick and I try to take great care of them. The only tang I have ever had was in my 65g 36" tank, a kole bristletooth. He didn't appear stressed and grew well. I gave him away when he started picking on my clam. Had him for years.
I always think it's funny when people talk about their fish being happy or put other human emotions on them. I mean if a fish isn't stressed what more can you ask for? How can you even measure stress alone? Eating? Growing? Spawning? Taking blood for stress hormones? Yet so many people give fish attributes that are impossible to quantify even if the fish could possibly possess them. Obviously there are lower size limits for aquariums, but the number of people that personify fish are amazing. Do we even know that a fish remembers the other side of the tank? Does that vary on species? Really our goal is to minimize stress of our fish friends - does that mean if a species doesn't spawn it shouldn't be collected in captivity or is it enough if you have a fish that lives over 10 years? A 4 foot vs 6 foot tank for a fish that is 6 inches long and might swim miles in the wild? That seems like a pretty fine hair to split.
Kworker
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People personify just about everything. I agree that the debate of 4 ft vs 6 ft sounds somewhat silly. I do also feel the fish that cause those debates should not be easily attainable in the hobby.
It was actually proven fish have longer memory than 10 seconds lol, mythbusters FTW.
I am however.. not sure what qualities people are giving fish that you do not understand? People are not on here stating that their blonde naso tang is dancing around the tank with a huge grin on their face (and if they do they should maybe seek some help).. (maybe I need help because I pictured a naso tang with blonde hair and white jeans disco dancing with the two top buttons undone on their dress shirt)
I do agree as long as they are not stressed all should be good.. I just do not see it likely that a fish that moves around a lot and gets rather large not being stressed (People could be using the word "happy to mean "not stressed")
I said a few times on similar threads. I think the best way to negate a lot of the improper care of fish is either
a) licensing (not going to happen)
b) Make it so a LFS can not sell a tank under a certain gallonage. That way you do not get people going to the store picking up a 10 gal because its cheap than picking up a bamboo shark. (little extreme I know) But say if you make the minimum tank a 75 gal. Its not too big, yet its big enough that generally the people making that investment are willing to do a little bit more research than the guy that wants big fish but dont want a big tank.
I feel I can comment on that last part, because before I started researching in the hobby I wanted a 7 gal fluval tank with 2 roseline sharks. Glad I didn't have the money to do it at the time.
Kworker
Tang Lover
Okay cool :bigsmile: sorry I got defensive than.
I do agree our politicians really do lack.. thought processing and care for what is the truth. The best route to go about restricting importing might be to give a group of marine biologists control of it rather than the politicians.. ehhhh unlikely they would actually let people who know a thing or two makes some calls. But some of you may get a little to scared about how strict they could be.
Bottom line though, environment > my entertainment.
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tgp4274
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ok what I'm reading here is that no tang should EVER be in a tank 30"........ so if that's then we're all gulty for every fish store I've been in n even the big box ones that all of you hate have had most tanks in a ten gal tank or at best a 30 when you bought them........... so if going to regulate then I guess none of us will ever buy another fish scince no store is going to be able to keep a 100gal tank for one fish............ my 2cents
PaPaCox
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WOW a simple question????? goes into new laws, politicains and banning fish stores...its amazing to me that a reef forum can get that down n dirty AND still NEVER really answer the question ....but thats what a forum is all about...i know there is NO true answer to any question about saltwater care but just advice on other ppls experiences and thats all i was after what have ppl noticed in similar sitiuations....Thanks to all
Kworker
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There is a difference between a temporary holding and a permanent home. The idea of bringing a fish into the store is to sell it ASAP. Its understandable that it is not exactly economically possible to keep fish in permanent size tanks at the store. Yet it does not also make it right to use the argument that "if they are temporary holding it than why can't I?" Because unless you happen to be a knowledgable person in the hobby and be able to keep up with the bioload a larger fish would put into a 10 gal tank, the parameters of the water will go south. The "10 gal tank or 30 gal" in the LFS is backed by hundreds of gallons of water to prevent that, nevermind the fact that generally somebody that owns a store knows how to take care of the bioload of a tank.
EDIT: Plus may I add, somebody who can manage the bioload generally are shortly moving them to a larger tank or would not do it to begin with.
Most people do not get on peoples cases for holding/quarantining fish in smaller tanks for several weeks that will end up in larger tanks. The bottom line is that it is temporary. When it comes to a scenario that somebody has that nano and it is titled "my first tank" or "just joined the hobby" that it sets up red flags and people start trying to help the person out and tell them the issues. Than even worse, when somebody knows the answers but asks anyway and gets mad at people than do it anyway. I would just like to know why waste our time when we are just trying to help? :bigsmile:
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Kworker
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And where in all of this did it not answer your question? No down and dirty here, just friendly debate.
I never said to ban fish stores, just to make certain fish harder to get :wink:
tgp4274
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yes and I only stated it because most plp start in with a smaller 30 or 40 gal tank n DO upgrade... I started in my now kids 30 fw tanks n have a 150 system but yes I did put a powder brown and a yellow tang in the 30 together... yes I now know better and hence the upgrade. I think if the person is willing to upgrade and or remove the fish when it outgrows the tank I don't think it that bad of a thing......... to me there only helping the fish to grow for someone else.. no dif than breaders... n I know of one lfs that has a full grown yellow and a 8in hippo in a 55gal tank for sale n both have been there for months scince there to big to for most to buy....
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joeyhatch11
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I have a 33L tank (4ft long) with 2 clowns and 2 blue/green chromis. Id love to get a tang myself but always felt my tank was too small. But always considered that there size at first would be well suited for my tank, plus my LFS offers a buy back on them once they become too big. Was thinking of a hippo tang. Good or no? Keep in mind that all my rock work is dead center in the tank and allows a ton of swimming room both front and back too.
jmac360
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now this is a true story about a customer that came into the store i work at: he was an older gentleman with what i assumed to be his daughter or granddaughter. The conversation started normal as any I asked a few questions about what tanks they have an 8 gallon and some larger mystery tank that i couldn't get a size on. He wanted to purchase 3 percula clowns and a yellow tang..... for the 8 gallon that at that time was a newly set up system. Needless to say he only got 3 clownfish and no warranty on those fish. I hate to get preachy buy these are MOSTLY wild animals that have vast territories in nature a lot of these tangs truly shouldn't be but in 6 foot tanks but on that note if I had a good sized tank yes I would have a tang maybe 2 but smaller species 
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Because I am both amused and saddened by what has been posted, I felt compelled to pinch this from 3Reef HERE:
"While the fish may do ok, having a big fish in a small tank is kind of like a fat guy in a little car, it just dosn't look right."
I simply use the advice given on liveaquaria. I have to believe their information is based on experts and years of experience.
"While the fish may do ok, having a big fish in a small tank is kind of like a fat guy in a little car, it just dosn't look right."
I simply use the advice given on liveaquaria. I have to believe their information is based on experts and years of experience.
joeyhatch11
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lol
steventaylor702
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It All seriousness think of it like this you being trapped in a box that is a little smaller then you body and never being let out to stretch. So your stuck there in you own crap, ****, and leftover food. Oh and I forgot to mention you have 2 roommates in there also. Even though the box isn't even big enough just for you. imagine the stress and hostility you would have and the related illnesses that you would be subjected to in that kind of environment. That's what you are doing to a tang when you coupe then up like that it's not just about the size but all the other things to
TheSaint216
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I agree with this post but it wouldnt just be for tangs it would be for any type of fish available in the Trade. For Instance two clowns in a 2.5 gallon pico. Not all clowns stick right on their nem some do like to swim. Is this enough room for them? If people started selling fish on minimum gallons who would determine this? I think 99 % of the fish big or small wouldnt be sold to people with tanks less then 200 gallons. These types of Arguments can be made for anything in the hobby. Is it right to pump Vodka or Vinegar in your water with fish in the tank? Would you want to be put in a room filled with CO? I think hardlining against people who keep tangs in 20 gallon nano's and the people who are asking if its ok should stop. People should be saying well it might work but whats your filtration like? Is it the only fish in the tank? What are your plans for the fish when it outgrows the system? It would be cool to see people refer these kind of questions to the fish Database on this site.
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steventaylor702
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Yes I fully agree. People really need to Take a step back and look at all of the parameters of this hobby it's all a learning process and there is no full proof right way or number or size it this hobby. But don't let the poor animals that you control their life suffer because. It's easier to be stubborn and say everything is ok just because it's your favorite fish.
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With all this being said remember that so much has changed in this hobby over the last couple of years and a lot of people giving advice even though I would say the are experts in this hobby. Are still stuck in the old mind set where it is still impossible to even own a live and thriving nano tank let alone have tangs or any other fish in one.
